X-GM-THRID: 1206998527368179909 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: 06a5945a371d93041a8a5eda3e28cf6616aecd8f Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.54.127.17 with SMTP id z17cs61381wrc; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 10:24:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.48.221.6 with SMTP id t6mr2634171nfg; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 10:24:55 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id m16si3175474nfc.2006.06.23.10.24.54; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 10:24:55 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1FtpL6-000558-N2 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 18:21:04 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1FtpL6-00054z-02 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 18:21:04 +0100 Received: from hestia.herts.ac.uk ([147.197.200.9]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1FtpL1-0001Ov-79 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 18:21:03 +0100 Received: from [147.197.215.113] (helo=tucana.herts.ac.uk) by hestia.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 1FtpK3-000759-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 18:19:59 +0100 Received: from [147.197.164.230] (helo=RD40002) by tucana.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.44) id 1FtpK1-0001XF-6e for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 18:19:57 +0100 From: "james moritz" To: Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2006 18:19:57 +0100 Message-ID: <001a01c696e9$3ffa6a40$e6a4c593@RD40002> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <002001c696e3$74317a20$0300a8c0@LAPTOP> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-UH-MailScanner: No Virus detected X-UH-MailScanner-Information: X-H-UH-MailScanner: No Virus detected X-UH-MailScanner-From: j.r.moritz@herts.ac.uk X-Spam-Score: -0.9 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=-0.875 Subject: LF: RE: Top-fed LF antenna idea Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 5679 Dear Peter, LF Group, As I recall, G0MRF's first trans-atlantic transmission was done from the = top of a tower block with a down-sloping wire as "top loading" - Perhaps = David would care to fill in the details... Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Peter Martinez Sent: 23 June 2006 17:38 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: Top-fed LF antenna idea >>From G3PLX: Some of you may have seen my letter in the current RadCom, which = suggests=20 that reports of unusually good performance of the electrically-small = 'EH'=20 antennas may be the result of them being mounted on top of a tall = structure, and are effectively top-feeding the whole thing. It occurs to me that this might be a useful experiment to try on 136kHz = if=20 someone is able to operate 'portable' from the top of a suitable = structure,=20 like a telecom tower or the Eifel or Blackpool towers. What would be = needed=20 would be some sort of capacity-hat, such as a fishing rod (or two) = sticking=20 out into clear space from the top of the tower. It need not be vertical, = so=20 long as most of it was clear of the structure. This would then be = resonated=20 at the operating frequency and the whole thing fed against some metallic = part of the structure. Assuming the tower is one with public access, = there=20 should be AC power up there from which to run the equipment, and the = safety=20 ground wire of this should be sufficient, or there may be an acessible=20 lightning conductor. The capacity hat would inevitably be quite small and therefore the = inductor=20 losses will be high, but against that there will be an enormous benefit=20 because a lot of the 'resistance' in the ground connection will be good=20 quality radiation resistance. We should be able to calculate what this = is=20 from the height of the structure, and remember that we can assume that = the=20 current up the tower will be fairly constant and not dropping linearly = to=20 zero at the top like a base-fed tower would be, so the effective height = is=20 the actual height, not half of it. The e.m.r.p. can then be calculated = from=20 the product of this radiation resistance and the square of the current=20 flowing into the capacity hat. I am sure the principle is sound. Is it worth a try? 73 Peter