X-GM-THRID: 1205987865630315031 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: 7953fec2bd31ac76534a53b6c1ba791b42070486 Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.54.127.17 with SMTP id z17cs13226wrc; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 06:40:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.52.17 with SMTP id z17mr12260huz; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 06:40:53 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id 39si912518hui.2006.06.12.06.40.50; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 06:40:53 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1FpmZW-0005Xi-9q for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 14:35:14 +0100 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1FpmZV-0005XZ-Cw for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 14:35:13 +0100 Received: from hestia.herts.ac.uk ([147.197.200.9]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1FpmZR-0004zy-51 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 14:35:13 +0100 Received: from [147.197.215.113] (helo=tucana.herts.ac.uk) by hestia.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 1FpmZL-0007D2-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 14:35:03 +0100 Received: from [147.197.164.230] (helo=RD40002) by tucana.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.44) id 1FpmZE-00043j-Kv for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 14:34:56 +0100 From: "james moritz" To: Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 14:34:55 +0100 Message-ID: <000001c68e24$fe1bcf00$e6a4c593@RD40002> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <000901c68d98$e2fe4d60$2102000a@ibm> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-UH-MailScanner: No Virus detected X-UH-MailScanner-Information: X-H-UH-MailScanner: No Virus detected X-UH-MailScanner-From: j.r.moritz@herts.ac.uk X-Spam-Score: -0.8 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=-0.801 Subject: LF: RE: Re:PA4VHF/p TX problems Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 5294 Dear Dick, LF Group, The Siemens/Epcos N30 material is a high permeability ferrite specified = for EMC suppression purposes. The saturation flux density is somewhat lower = than materials like 3C85 etc, but probably the main problem will be the = higher core losses. The flux density due to the primary winding inductance = works out to around 100mT with 500W TX pwr, which might get close to = saturating the core at high temperature. It will certainly cause considerable power = to be dissipated due to the losses in the core. The Epcos data does not = specify the core loss (core not being used for its intended purpose - high = losses are an advantage for a "suppression" ferrite), but it must be at least several watts, which would certainly make the core get hot. A possible reason for the antenna current not increasing is corona, = which can be a real problem with a small antenna - as the voltage increases, = the power loss in the corona discharge gets higher, which leads to increased antenna loss resistance, which prevents the current from rising much - a kind of self-limiting effect on antenna current. I used to get this when = I started running QRO on LF. The corona can be hard to detect, but the = usual tell-tale sign is that something catches fire eventually!=20 Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Dick Sent: 11 June 2006 21:51 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: Re:PA4VHF/p TX problems First off all thanks to Mal and James for picking up my signals. Thanks Alan for your comments. Well, I did tune the system with the help of a low power TX before = running high power. I think the problem might be caused by the step up transformer I used to = go from 50 to 150 Ohm, before coupling into the vario meter.