X-GM-THRID: 1202298087123444989 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: 9e42059e9b1c5e7df1c2e139da5fca6e99789fde Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.54.72.15 with SMTP id u15cs6502wra; Tue, 2 May 2006 13:13:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.48.162.20 with SMTP id k20mr72380nfe; Tue, 02 May 2006 13:13:26 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id l21si650861nfc.2006.05.02.13.13.25; Tue, 02 May 2006 13:13:26 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Fb1BU-0008RQ-G8 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 02 May 2006 21:09:24 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Fb1BU-0008RH-2k for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 02 May 2006 21:09:24 +0100 Received: from smtp813.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.12.12.203]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.51) id 1Fb32t-0007Uf-IY for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 02 May 2006 23:08:55 +0100 Received: (qmail 9633 invoked from network); 2 May 2006 20:09:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO aquarids) (ganymede444@btinternet.com@81.154.13.0 with login) by smtp813.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 May 2006 20:09:07 -0000 From: "Dave G3WCB" To: Date: Tue, 2 May 2006 21:10:18 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <4455C323.6020600@telus.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Importance: Normal X-Spam-Score: 0.6 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=0.035,FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS=0.516 Subject: LF: RE: pictures of my new 136kHz stn (IRFP450) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.9 required=5.0 tests=FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS, MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 5780 Hi Scott, David and Dick, LF Group, Thanks for the helpful comments. It seems that 400W out with 37v supply would be a reasonable target for my next winter project. My current rig gives 200W output from a pair of SMM70N06 FETs at 15VDC. The STW34NB20 FETs are cheaper than the IRFP450, but I see that Farnell will be no longer stocking them, and are recommending the Fairchild FQA55N25 as a replacement. This is rated at 250V/55A, and might be an even better choice. Scott, has your home-page moved? The Scottboxx link no longer seems to work. 73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of Scott Tilley Sent: 01 May 2006 09:13 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: RE: pictures of my new 136kHz stn Dick, Dave and LF Group Using a design here with 4 FETs (W34NB20) in a module with the two pairs combined this nets about 900W with 37V input. Now on the MO_ALFA we have 8 FETs in two modules of 4 arranged in pairs of 2 combined for 2KW and when loafing on the 'stun' setting we're able to get 1200W+ without much heating at all, in fact she runs very cool(much more efficient then a single module running balls to the wall)... At 2KW forced air is a must... Nothing paralleled and no traditional LPF required as the Wilkinson does the job and provides some port to port isolation. We could push for maybe 3KW as the 8x400W PSUs are loafing still... But after the Tesla display when we commissioned it at 2KW in my backyard cooler heads prevailed...! The highest voltage we can reliably push out a signal with without 'strange' events is 41V. However, I run lower at 37V as a nominal safe choice. I found the W34NB20 better in my application then the IRFP450... 73 Scott VE7TIL G0MRF@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 30/04/2006 21:43:09 GMT Standard Time, > ganymede444@btopenworld.com writes: > > Hi Dick, LF Group, > > What power supply voltage will you be using for your new TX, and > what RF power do you hope to get out with 4 times IRFP450? > > 73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM > > Hi Dave / Dick. > > If it helps: I converted on of my 250W linear amplifiers which used 4 > IRFP450s to class D(ish) The power output went to 700W on 136kHz. I > just replaced the input phase splitting transformer with the normal > class D 4426 driver chip. > I also used the same amp in Scotland at 300W on 73kHz to work Jim > M0BMU and Derek G3GRO who were nr Lands End. PSU was adjustable 35 to 48V. > > Thanks > > David G0MRF