X-GM-THRID: 1203350633376413987 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: b414f176518a90557742ca5ed8af714d6ba63681 Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.54.72.5 with SMTP id u5cs26348wra; Mon, 15 May 2006 05:20:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.48.221.20 with SMTP id t20mr2062924nfg; Mon, 15 May 2006 05:20:36 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id l38si10743310nfc.2006.05.15.05.20.32; Mon, 15 May 2006 05:20:36 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Ffbqg-0005CE-Uv for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 15 May 2006 13:06:54 +0100 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Ffbqf-0005C5-Kq for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 15 May 2006 13:06:53 +0100 Received: from cas-mta1-fe.casema.nl ([83.80.1.20] helo=mta-fe.casema.nl) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1FfdMf-0002Xa-M4 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 15 May 2006 14:44:05 +0100 Received: from s9z5i6.casema.nl (53556AF3.cable.casema.nl [83.85.106.243]) by mta-fe.casema.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD1BA944A for ; Mon, 15 May 2006 14:06:40 +0200 (CEST) Message-Id: <6.1.0.6.2.20060515132009.037b1cf0@127.0.0.1> X-Sender: dickrollema@casema.nl#mail.casema.nl@127.0.0.1 (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.0.6 Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 14:11:34 +0200 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: Dick Rollema In-Reply-To: <003c01c67744$f08f9160$2201a8c0@PC2> References: <003c01c67744$f08f9160$2201a8c0@PC2> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 0619-3, 12-05-2006), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Score: 0.4 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=-0.717,FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.05,HTML_10_20=0.295,HTML_FONT_FACE_CAPS=0.804,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: DCF39 ERP and field strength Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=====================_4743002==.ALT" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 5423 --=====================_4743002==.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear Jose, You wrote: > >In the web of Geri, DK8KW, can be seen that DCF39 ERP is 40KW (22KW EMRP),= =20 >based on measurements made by Geri some years ago. For this radiater power= =20 >corresponds, at 1800 Km, in function of inverse of distance, 58 dB(uV/m);= =20 >last nigth I made measurement of 60 dB(uV/m), so I wonder if still DCF39=B4= s=20 >power is the same as before, and if the previous theorical field strength,= =20 >with no reflection loss, can be exceeded some times due to the several=20 >propagation factors involved. I measure the field strength of DCF39 at 2078 microvolt/metre (66.35 dB=B5V)= =20 , as it is always at daytime. The distance between my location and DCF39 is about 500 km. Using the=20 graph for "LAND" (conductivity 0.03 S/m, dielectric constant 40) in CCIR=20 Recommandation 368-7: GROUND-WAVE PROPAGATION CURVES FOR FREQUENCIES=20 BETWEEN 10 KHz AND MHz I find the power of DCF39 to be 39.8 kW. This=20 should be rounded to 40 kW of course. That this agrees so well with the 40= =20 kW mentioned by Geri is pure coincidence, given the uncertainties = involved. 73, Dick, PA0SE JN22GD=20 --=====================_4743002==.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear Jose,

You wrote:
 
In the web of Geri, DK8KW, can be seen that DCF39 ERP is 40KW (22KW EMRP), based on measurements made by Geri some years ago. For this radiater power corresponds, at 1800 Km, in function of inverse of distance, 58 dB(uV/m); last nigth I made measurement of 60 dB(uV/m), so I wonder if still DCF39=B4s power is the same as before, and if the previous theorical field strength, with no reflection loss, can be exceeded some times due to the several propagation factors involved.

I measure the field strength of DCF39 at 2078 microvolt/metre (66.35 dB=B5V) , as it is always  at daytime.

The distance between my  location and DCF39 is about 500 km. Using the graph for "LAND" (conductivity 0.03 S/m, dielectric constant 40)  in CCIR Recommandation 368-7: GROUND-WAVE PROPAGATION CURVES FOR FREQUENCIES BETWEEN 10 KHz AND MHz I find the power of DCF39 to be 39.8 kW.  This should be rounded to 40 kW of course.  That this agrees so well with the 40 kW mentioned by  Geri is pure coincidence, given the uncertainties involved.

73, Dick, PA0SE
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