X-GM-THRID: 1201304616558518543 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: b28ef5803caa21f8ace12410744262fa967bb2f9 Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.54.70.6 with SMTP id s6cs6125wra; Sat, 22 Apr 2006 00:30:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.65.248.18 with SMTP id a18mr1627625qbs; Sat, 22 Apr 2006 00:30:38 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id f17si403955qba.2006.04.22.00.30.36; Sat, 22 Apr 2006 00:30:38 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1FXCVg-0003Q8-Hv for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 22 Apr 2006 08:26:28 +0100 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1FXCVf-0003Pz-Sp for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 22 Apr 2006 08:26:27 +0100 Received: from cas-mta3-fe.casema.nl ([83.80.1.28] helo=mta-fe.casema.nl) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1FXDqP-00014w-2Y for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 22 Apr 2006 09:51:58 +0100 Received: from s9z5i6.casema.nl (53556AF3.cable.casema.nl [83.85.106.243]) by mta-fe.casema.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69E954B2E for ; Sat, 22 Apr 2006 09:26:19 +0200 (CEST) Message-Id: <6.1.0.6.2.20060422092711.034f8b80@127.0.0.1> X-Sender: dickrollema@casema.nl#mail.casema.nl@127.0.0.1 (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.0.6 Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2006 09:29:51 +0200 To: LF-Group From: Dick Rollema Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 0616-4, 21-04-2006), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Score: 0.5 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=-1.077,EXTRA_MPART_TYPE=0.222,FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.05,HTML_10_20=0.295,HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.003,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: Top loading coil at ground level? Content-Type: multipart/related; type="multipart/alternative"; boundary="=====================_400852==.REL" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 5551 --=====================_400852==.REL Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=====================_400859==.ALT" --=====================_400859==.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed The picture I included in the text did not appear in the message as it reached me. So I try it again. To Jim, Peter, LF-group, I am grateful to Jim and Peter for their interesting comments and discussion which I thoroughly enjoyed. As I mentioned before I first modelled a quarter wave vertical for 80m with the top loading coil system under discussion. As capacitive hat I used the upper 5m of three guy wires, connected to the top of the radiator under an angle of 30 degrees. The bottom end of the stub is 1m above ground level. At the centre of the stub a capacitor. By trial and error I found that 1283pF was needed to bring the system into resonance. At the feedpoint the impedance was 4925 ohm. The current minumum occurs at the feed point and the maximum at the top of the system. The current responsible for the radiation is the vectorial difference of the currents in the two vertical elements. This is shown in the following picture that is produced by the Antenna Optimizer program. Vertical.jpg The dots indicate the segmentation I selected: 150 segments/half wave. The curved lines indicate the magnitude of the currents. At the bottom end the currents in the "stub" are almost equal but in opposite direction. The small difference current is flowing in the lower 1m of the radiator between feedpoint and bottom end of the stub. The situation is different of course for the small antennas used at LF. But the principle is the same. I consider as main advantage of the system that the top coil is at ground level and easily accessible. There are no size and weight restrictions as for an elevated coil. The coil can be made as large and good as you like. 73, Dick, PA0SE --=====================_400859==.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" The picture I included in the text did not appear in the message as it reached me.  So I try it again.

To Jim, Peter, LF-group,

I am grateful to Jim and Peter for their interesting comments and discussion which I thoroughly enjoyed.

As I mentioned before I first modelled a quarter wave vertical for 80m  with the top loading coil system under discussion. As capacitive hat I used the upper 5m of three guy wires, connected to the top of the radiator  under an angle of 30 degrees.
The bottom end of the stub is 1m  above ground level.  At the centre of the stub  a  capacitor. By trial and error I found that 1283pF  was needed to  bring the system into resonance. At the feedpoint the impedance was 4925 ohm.  The current minumum occurs at the feed point and the maximum at the top of the system. The current responsible for the radiation is the vectorial difference of the currents in the two vertical elements. This is shown in the following picture that is produced by the Antenna Optimizer program.
Vertical.jpg

The dots indicate the segmentation I selected: 150 segments/half wave.  The curved lines indicate the magnitude of the currents. At the bottom end the currents in the "stub" are almost equal but in opposite direction. The small difference current is flowing in the lower 1m of the radiator between feedpoint and bottom end of the stub.   

The situation is different of course for the small antennas used at LF.  But the principle is the same.

I consider as main advantage of the system that the top coil is at ground level and easily accessible. There are no  size and weight restrictions as for an elevated coil.  The coil can be made as large and good as you like.

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