X-GM-THRID: 1201304616558518543 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: 723c19f30017b1ab92dc2c16f2e7460a07eacf10 Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.54.70.6 with SMTP id s6cs30983wra; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 14:02:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.49.2.16 with SMTP id e16mr606203nfi; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 14:02:39 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id p20si251113nfc.2006.04.21.14.02.38; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 14:02:39 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1FX2if-0002KS-SA for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 21:59:13 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1FX2if-0002KJ-Dv for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 21:59:13 +0100 Received: from cas-mta3-fe.casema.nl ([83.80.1.28] helo=mta-fe.casema.nl) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1FX4Vz-0003Cb-7w for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 23:54:30 +0100 Received: from s9z5i6.casema.nl (53556AF3.cable.casema.nl [83.85.106.243]) by mta-fe.casema.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 59D4D3CCF for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 22:56:09 +0200 (CEST) Message-Id: <6.1.0.6.2.20060421225931.035b4cd0@127.0.0.1> X-Sender: dickrollema@casema.nl#mail.casema.nl@127.0.0.1 (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.0.6 Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 22:59:50 +0200 To: LF-Group From: Dick Rollema Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 0616-4, 21-04-2006), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=-1.056,FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.05,HTML_10_20=0.295,HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.003,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: Top loading coil at ground level? Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=====================_374932==.ALT" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 5552 --=====================_374932==.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sorry if you receive this for the second time. But I got a message from my provider that the service was temporary unavailable so don't know whether the message was send or not. To Jim, Peter, LF-group, I am grateful to Jim and Peter for their interesting comments and discussion which I thoroughly enjoyed. As I mentioned before I first modelled a quarter wave vertical for 80m with the top loading coil system under discussion. As capacitive hat I used the upper 5m of three guy wires, connected to the top of the radiator under an angle of 30 degrees. The bottom end of the stub is 1m above ground level. At the centre of the stub a capacitor. By trial and error I found that 1283pF was needed to bring the system into resonance. At the feedpoint the impedance was 4925 ohm. The current minumum occurs at the feed point and the maximum at the top of the system. The current responsible for the radiation is the vectorial difference of the currents in the two vertical elements. This is shown in the following picture that is produced by the Antenna Optimizer program. 66d8a9.jpg The dots indicate the segmentation I selected: 150 segments/half wave. The curved lines indicate the magnitude of the currents. At the bottom end the currents in the "stub" are almost equal but in opposite direction. The small difference current is flowing in the lower 1m of the radiator between feedpoint and bottom end of the stub. The situation is different of course for the small antennas used at LF. But the principle is the same. I consider as main advantage of the system that the top coil is at ground level and easily accessible. There are no size and weight restrictions as for an elevated coil. The coil can be made as large and good as you like. 73, Dick, PA0SE --=====================_374932==.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Sorry if you receive this for the second time. But  I got a message from my provider that the service was temporary unavailable so don't know whether the message was send or not.

To Jim, Peter, LF-group,

I am grateful to Jim and Peter for their interesting comments and discussion which I thoroughly enjoyed.

As I mentioned before I first modelled a quarter wave vertical for 80m  with the top loading coil system under discussion. As capacitive hat I used the upper 5m of three guy wires, connected to the top of the radiator  under an angle of 30 degrees.
The bottom end of the stub is 1m  above ground level.  At the centre of the stub  a  capacitor. By trial and error I found that 1283pF  was needed to  bring the system into resonance. At the feedpoint the impedance was 4925 ohm.  The current minumum occurs at the feed point and the maximum at the top of the system. The current responsible for the radiation is the vectorial difference of the currents in the two vertical elements. This is shown in the following picture that is produced by the Antenna Optimizer program.
66d8a9.jpg 
The dots indicate the segmentation I selected: 150 segments/half wave.  The curved lines indicate the magnitude of the currents. At the bottom end the currents in the "stub" are almost equal but in opposite direction. The small difference current is flowing in the lower 1m of the radiator between feedpoint and bottom end of the stub.   

The situation is different of course for the small antennas used at LF.  But the principle is the same.

I consider as main advantage of the system that the top coil is at ground level and easily accessible. There are no  size and weight restrictions as for an elevated coil.  The coil can be made as large and good as you like.

73, Dick, PA0SE
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