X-GM-THRID: 1200923833029268753 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: 883068f7b8d2c5038e1b0c943bf03ba2e3e075c4 Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.54.70.6 with SMTP id s6cs27050wra; Mon, 17 Apr 2006 12:59:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.48.164.2 with SMTP id m2mr2739710nfe; Mon, 17 Apr 2006 12:59:00 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id p45si2057555nfa.2006.04.17.12.58.59; Mon, 17 Apr 2006 12:59:00 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1FVZq2-0003f5-8X for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 17 Apr 2006 20:56:46 +0100 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1FVZq1-0003ew-Ou for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 17 Apr 2006 20:56:45 +0100 Received: from imo-d20.mx.aol.com ([205.188.139.136]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1FVb8X-0003pg-7x for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 17 Apr 2006 22:20:00 +0100 Received: from MarkusVester@aol.com by imo-d20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.5.) id l.31c.31f0dac (30739) for ; Mon, 17 Apr 2006 15:56:31 -0400 (EDT) From: MarkusVester@aol.com Message-ID: <31c.31f0dac.31754ced@aol.com> Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2006 15:56:29 EDT To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6104 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.8 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=-1.464,HTML_20_30=0.504,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,NO_REAL_NAME=0.178 Subject: Re: LF: New transmitter being tested on 18.5 kHz Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_31c.31f0dac.31754ced_boundary" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.7 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE, HTML_TAG_BALANCE_HTML,NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 6843 --part1_31c.31f0dac.31754ced_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Wolfgang, the funny thing is that the 18.5 kHz DF variations appeared during all three= =20 nights, whereas the colour of 23.4 was steady during that time, except for=20 short periods at sunrise / sunset. Mentioning wavelength... could the effect have to do with the frequency=20 itself? I am 476 km from Saterland, and for an assumed reflection height of=20= 78 km,=20 the geometrical path difference between groundwave and skywave would be abou= t=20 25 km. This is two wavelengths at 24 kHz, versus 1.5 wavelengths near 18 kHz= ,=20 possibly resulting in cancellation and an increased sensitivity against smal= l=20 perturbations.=20 Will keep looking... 73 de Markus =20 In einer eMail vom 17.04.2006 21:07:57 Westeurop=E4ische Sommerzeit schreibt= =20 dl4yhf@freenet.de:=20 > Will be interesting to see if that directional VLF fading is related to=20 > the time of day, or if you caught a SID event by chance, and if similar=20 > things happened on LF the same time. > My own bearings of the new 18.5 kHz transmitter only vary by a few=20 > degrees, but I'm just 8 wavelengths away from it ;-) >=20 --part1_31c.31f0dac.31754ced_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Wolfgang,

the funny thing is that the 18.5 kHz DF variations appeared during all three= nights, whereas the colour of 23.4 was steady during that time, except for=20= short periods at sunrise / sunset.

Mentioning wavelength... could the effect have to do with the frequency itse= lf? I am 476 km from Saterland, and for an assumed reflection height of 78 k= m, the geometrical path difference between groundwave and skywave would be a= bout 25 km. This is two wavelengths at 24 kHz, versus 1.5 wavelengths near 1= 8 kHz, possibly resulting in cancellation and an increased sensitivity again= st small perturbations.

Will keep looking...

73 de Markus

In einer eMail vom 17.04.2006 21:07:57 Westeurop=E4ische Sommerzeit schreibt= dl4yhf@freenet.de:

Will be interesting to see if t= hat directional VLF fading is related to
the time of day, or if you caught a SID event by chance, and if similar
things happened on LF the same time.
My own bearings of the new 18.5 kHz transmitter only vary by a few
degrees, but  I'm just 8 wavelengths away from it ;-)


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