X-GM-THRID: 1201479282226314978 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: 4e3032c6315441e2da09832d802a52d76d27a0de Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.54.70.6 with SMTP id s6cs12088wra; Sun, 23 Apr 2006 18:32:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.48.203.1 with SMTP id a1mr397810nfg; Sun, 23 Apr 2006 18:32:56 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id l21si1383990nfc.2006.04.23.18.32.55; Sun, 23 Apr 2006 18:32:56 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1FXpuF-0004WE-UL for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 02:30:27 +0100 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1FXpuF-0004W5-G5 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 02:30:27 +0100 Received: from grunt5.ihug.co.nz ([203.109.254.45]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1FXrFn-0008Ub-KP for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 03:56:50 +0100 Received: from 203-109-176-31.dialup.ihug.co.nz (cobaltxp) [203.109.176.31] by grunt5.ihug.co.nz with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1FXptA-0004n3-00; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 13:29:21 +1200 Message-ID: <000e01c6673e$82f9f390$1fb06dcb@cobaltxp> From: "Murray ZL1BPU" To: References: <444AF315.9020304@telus.net> <056601c66732$7dba60b0$7900a8c0@athlon1200> <444C1A56.4060202@telus.net> <057b01c66738$3e091550$7900a8c0@athlon1200> Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 13:29:19 +1200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Spam-Score: -0.2 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=-0.231 Subject: Re: LF: Re: PhaseScope beta 1.0 release... Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 5867 Dave, Put it this way... I see a weak carrier at 20kHz that has varying day/night strength, but fairly constant phase. I've no way of verifying for sure where it's from, or whether it is keyed, as I can detect it with no other method! The Clicklock technique does work well with pulsed signals (e.g. 40kHz), but I've not yet had any success on the Russian Alpha ststions, presumably because the phase of each one I receive on the frequency is different. It works with LORAN lines because each one has different sideband frequencies. As Scott says, the efffective bandwidth of the receiver is related to the reciprocal of the integration period, so if integration time = 1000, then bandwidth is something around 1mHz! The receiver needs to be very stable, preferably but not necessarily accurate to within 1Hz. The signal to be monitored needs to stay within say 10� over the integration period, so for 10 sec integration, for example, needs to be within 1�/sec. At 181.4kHz for example, that's around 1.5e-8. I have successfully tracked my own OCXO reference and Rb reference, but the TCXO in the Exciter isn't good enough without the GPS lock option, when it becomes virtually perfect, with perhaps a little short-term (< 1 sec) phase ripple. Does this help? What did you have in mind? 73, Murray ZL1BPU