X-GM-THRID: 1196684404245296047 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: 96f9b9539c249e94e0d26871b7b65d8810e688fc Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.54.71.12 with SMTP id t12cs12925wra; Thu, 2 Mar 2006 11:20:19 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.66.254.18 with SMTP id b18mr555427ugi; Thu, 02 Mar 2006 11:20:19 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id s1si1862980uge.2006.03.02.11.20.18; Thu, 02 Mar 2006 11:20:19 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1FEtHu-0006MH-1K for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 02 Mar 2006 19:16:34 +0000 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1FEtHt-0006M8-E4 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 02 Mar 2006 19:16:33 +0000 Received: from mout2.freenet.de ([194.97.50.155]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1FEuDy-0002Hi-B6 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 02 Mar 2006 20:16:35 +0000 Received: from [194.97.55.191] (helo=mx7.freenet.de) by mout2.freenet.de with esmtpa (Exim 4.61) (envelope-from ) id 1FEtGs-0005Mz-Tf for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 02 Mar 2006 20:15:30 +0100 Received: from p54868445.dip0.t-ipconnect.de ([84.134.132.69] helo=[192.168.0.200]) by mx7.freenet.de with esmtpsa (ID dl4yhf@freenet.de) (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.61 #60) id 1FEtGs-0007KF-Gh for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 02 Mar 2006 20:15:30 +0100 Message-ID: <44074462.4060509@freenet.de> Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2006 19:15:46 +0000 From: Wolf DL4YHF User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) X-Accept-Language: de-DE, de, en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <01cd01c63d73$69bc4f80$0300a8c0@LAPTOP> <4407287F.8000306@freenet.de> <029801c63e22$bb20b190$0300a8c0@LAPTOP> In-Reply-To: <029801c63e22$bb20b190$0300a8c0@LAPTOP> X-Spam-Score: -2.5 (--) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=0.146,BAYES_00=-2.599 Subject: Re: LF: LORAN spurious emission levels Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 6240 Hi Peter and group, Peter wrote: > If you are close enough to receive surface wave from DCF39 and surface > wave from Sylt, then a ratio of the DCF39 carrier level to the level > of a typical Sylt LORAN line (at midday) could be used to give the > emrp of the LORAN line. WE can estimate the path loss from the > distance within a few dB so long as the both paths are over similar > type of ground. > > But Dave G0MRF also sent me a nice spreadsheet of some measurements > which were made at Rugby when the LORAN transmitter was installed. > This is a record of the classic USCG measurement to confirm that only > 1% of the energy is outside 90-110kHz. This spreadsheet seems to be a > chart of the readings of a spectrum analyser which is changed in 2kHz > steps between 70 and 130kHz, measuring the levels in a narrow > bandwidth (<2kHz?) from an antenna-current monitoring point. I think Dave's "extrapolated" chart will give more reliable data than this "relative" measurement described in my previous message: I live 230 km away from Burg, and 300 km from Sylt. Now I found this: Turning the receiver's AGC off (to get a meaningful result from the audio amplitude), and setting the gain manually so DCF39 just doesn't overload it, I can hardly see the Loran signals on 137.x kHz / QRSS3 mode. The dynamic range is not sufficient for this test. I guess a transmission from an amateur station with well-known radiated power (possibly close to a Loran site) would be better suited. 73, Wolf .