X-GM-THRID: 1196684404245296047 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: d000153a48c0defe01a53d2a0bc46e386d9cbf13 Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.54.71.12 with SMTP id t12cs11519wra; Thu, 2 Mar 2006 09:59:43 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.67.10.16 with SMTP id n16mr553551ugi; Thu, 02 Mar 2006 09:59:42 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id m1si1776092ugc.2006.03.02.09.59.42; Thu, 02 Mar 2006 09:59:42 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1FEs3M-0005rz-Jm for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 02 Mar 2006 17:57:28 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1FEs3M-0005rq-7E for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 02 Mar 2006 17:57:28 +0000 Received: from smtp801.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.12.12.138]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.51) id 1FEtXt-0008SF-95 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 02 Mar 2006 19:33:21 +0000 Received: (qmail 56927 invoked from network); 2 Mar 2006 17:57:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO LAPTOP) (peter.martinez@btinternet.com@86.135.51.89 with login) by smtp801.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Mar 2006 17:57:11 -0000 Message-ID: <029801c63e22$bb20b190$0300a8c0@LAPTOP> From: "Peter Martinez" To: References: <01cd01c63d73$69bc4f80$0300a8c0@LAPTOP> <4407287F.8000306@freenet.de> Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2006 17:57:11 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=ham,BAYES_00=-2.599 Subject: Re: LF: LORAN spurious emission levels Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 6241 Wolf: That would be another way to get a calibration, so long as we also knew the emrp of DCF39. If you are close enough to receive surface wave from DCF39 and surface wave from Sylt, then a ratio of the DCF39 carrier level to the level of a typical Sylt LORAN line (at midday) could be used to give the emrp of the LORAN line. WE can estimate the path loss from the distance within a few dB so long as the both paths are over similar type of ground. But Dave G0MRF also sent me a nice spreadsheet of some measurements which were made at Rugby when the LORAN transmitter was installed. This is a record of the classic USCG measurement to confirm that only 1% of the energy is outside 90-110kHz. This spreadsheet seems to be a chart of the readings of a spectrum analyser which is changed in 2kHz steps between 70 and 130kHz, measuring the levels in a narrow bandwidth (<2kHz?) from an antenna-current monitoring point. From this I can apply an F-squared factor to calculate the power spectral density. I have to guess the shape of the curve from 130kHz to 136kHz. This tells me (if I did it right) that the spectral density at 136kHz is about 47.5dB down on the spectral density at 100kHz. The problem now is that I don't know how to convert this to the mean level of a single spectral line - I need to know the relationship between the published power of the transmitter (presumably the peak pulse emrp) and the spectral density (mean power/kHz) at 100kHz. Anyone have any ideas? Maybe this can be measured off-air, or we can figure it out from published info. 73 Peter G3PLX