X-GM-THRID: 1197306579731541844 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: 8b22a1cc93110077416d9868cf5a533a73c6b5db Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.54.71.12 with SMTP id t12cs25978wra; Wed, 8 Mar 2006 09:55:33 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.65.236.3 with SMTP id n3mr539083qbr; Wed, 08 Mar 2006 09:55:33 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id q13si387674qbq.2006.03.08.09.55.32; Wed, 08 Mar 2006 09:55:33 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1FH2pv-0004RO-JD for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 08 Mar 2006 17:52:35 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1FH2pv-0004RF-48 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 08 Mar 2006 17:52:35 +0000 Received: from smtp805.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.12.12.195]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.51) id 1FH4Mh-0005Sq-H6 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 08 Mar 2006 19:30:47 +0000 Received: (qmail 88238 invoked from network); 8 Mar 2006 17:51:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO LAPTOP) (peter.martinez@btinternet.com@81.159.70.251 with login) by smtp805.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Mar 2006 17:51:17 -0000 Message-ID: <01dd01c642d8$e6cbc180$0300a8c0@LAPTOP> From: "Peter Martinez" To: References: <030820061539.18005.440EFA980004BD4A0000465522007613940B97010D0A020E06979D0E03@comcast.net> Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2006 17:51:17 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=ham,BAYES_00=-2.599 Subject: LF: Real QRP tests Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="Windows-1252"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 6152 >From G3PLX: If there's anyone within about 500km from me at 54N 3W (i.e. daytime surface wave range) who could transmit a few micro-watts of very stable (preferably GPS-derived) carrier on 136kHz, I would like to run some tests with my new GPS-locked reception scheme to see how low we can go and still detect that there's something there. It may take some time to detect the signal, but with that sort of low power there shouldn't be too much problem with leaving the transmitter on for a day. A quick calculation says that 25mA r.m.s. of antenna current into an average antenna should produce plenty enough signal. That's only 150v rms or so, depending on the antenna. The more stable is the signal, the lower down I should be able to detect it. Any one for QRPP? 73 Peter G3PLX