Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Fri, 03 Feb 2006 14:49:58 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F52G4-00023b-1V for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 03 Feb 2006 14:49:58 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F52G3-00022r-L3 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 03 Feb 2006 14:49:55 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1F52FG-0003Sy-Vs for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 03 Feb 2006 14:49:06 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1F52FG-0003Sp-GL for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 03 Feb 2006 14:49:06 +0000 Received: from hestia.herts.ac.uk ([147.197.200.9]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1F53ZZ-0006Nq-0V for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 03 Feb 2006 16:14:29 +0000 Received: from [147.197.215.113] (helo=tucana.herts.ac.uk) by hestia.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 1F52Ep-00016O-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 03 Feb 2006 14:48:39 +0000 Received: from [147.197.164.230] (helo=RD40002) by tucana.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.44) id 1F52Er-0003B6-39 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 03 Feb 2006 14:48:41 +0000 From: "james moritz" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2006 14:48:15 -0000 Message-ID: <004001c628d0$dcebfe40$e6a4c593@RD40002> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: <020220062241.29124.43E28A95000E876A000071C422007358340B97010D0A020E06979D0E03@comcast.net> Importance: Normal X-UH-MailScanner: No Virus detected X-H-UH-MailScanner: No Virus detected X-UH-MailScanner-From: j.r.moritz@herts.ac.uk Subject: LF: RE: Keeping the smoke in Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Dear Warren, LF Group, Sorry to hear about your problem. The transformer core seems more than adequate for the power level you are using - the flux density in the core at 1.2kW should be about 40mT, which is very low, so core size is more than ample; certainly I am using smaller cores at the same power level without heating problems. At that flux density, magnetic losses in the core would be something like 5 or 6W, according to the Fair-Rite graphs for 77 material. You might lose a similar amount in the winding, making about 12W loss overall. I guess if this was thermally very well insulated it could get very hot - this might happen if the box has very low thermal conductivity, and there are other heat-producing components inside as well. What mystifies me is why high voltages should also be present around the transformer. 1.2kW into 50R is about 245V RMS, which is nothing in corona terms. The low impedance secondary should only have 46V across it. A high voltage between primary and secondary windings could result from having the transformer connected into the loop at a high potential point, but it isn't obvious to me why that would be done. This could also result in increased core losses due to dielectric loss in the ferrite. Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ Sent: 02 February 2006 22:41 To: rsgb lf reflector Cc: LWCA LF Reflector Subject: LF: Keeping the smoke in Hello the list, I've heard that the secret to keeping things going in electronics is to make sure you don't let the smoke out (that's what makes it all work apparently). .... I guess I need a bigger core than the 3 stacked FT-290-77s any suggestions out there? -- 73 Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ FN42hi http://www.w4dex.com/wd2xgj.htm