Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Wed, 01 Feb 2006 15:04:03 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F4JWc-0002vn-LY for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 01 Feb 2006 15:04:03 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F4JWc-0002sf-6u for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 01 Feb 2006 15:04:02 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1F4JWI-0001qk-2u for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 01 Feb 2006 15:03:42 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1F4JWH-0001qb-NK for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 01 Feb 2006 15:03:41 +0000 Received: from newbox.tcp.net.uk ([195.80.0.243]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1F4Kpr-0002Bq-TQ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 01 Feb 2006 16:28:18 +0000 Received: from standalone ([212.248.140.1]) by newbox.tcp.net.uk (8.12.7/8.12.7) with SMTP id k11ExdoV009997 for ; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 14:59:44 GMT Message-ID: <000f01c6273f$7e05cc90$018cf8d4@standalone> From: "Andy" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2006 14:55:01 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-TCP-MailScanner-Information: Please visit www.tcp.co.uk for more information X-TCP-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-TCP-MailScanner-SpamScore: s X-TCP-MailScanner-From: actalbot@southsurf.com Subject: LF: Can't see the wood for the trees Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Can someone help with what should really be obvious. I have a train of constant width pulses at a fixed repetition rate. In the frequency domain these appear as a spectral comb with spacing at the repetition rate, whose amplitude follows a SIN(X) / X shape depending on the pulse width, ie. the first null occuring at at 1/width and so on. What I'm getting tied up in knots trying to calculate is : What is the absolute amplitude (power) of just one individual tooth of the comb at any particular spacing. Assume the pulse waveform has, say, 1mW or 0dBm mean amplitude, and consists of 500us pulses at 40Hz PRI. The duty cycle is 0.02, so the individual pulse power would have to be 50mW or 17dBm to get this mean. But what is the amplitude of the component at, say, 1kHz, or 1040Hz, or 10kHz ?? It must be obvious, but I keep feeling the urge to integrate SIN(X) / X which is not funny and way beyond my maths capabilities!! The figures given above are those for the 5MHz beacon sounder sequence. The amplitude trace on the monitoring software during the sounder sequence is measuring just one line of the comb ( F = 0, the carrier) , and appears to suggest this is about 30 - 35dB down on the CW part. That is -17dB from the peak/mean as above, but where does the other 13 - 18dB come from? Tearing hair out Andy G4JNT www.scrbg.org/g4jnt/