Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Mon, 06 Feb 2006 15:50:23 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F68dC-0000Td-7U for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 06 Feb 2006 15:50:23 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F68dC-0000TS-02 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 06 Feb 2006 15:50:22 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1F68bo-0002JK-91 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 06 Feb 2006 15:48:56 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1F68bn-0002JB-NA for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 06 Feb 2006 15:48:55 +0000 Received: from amsfep11-int.chello.nl ([213.46.243.19] helo=amsfep19-int.chello.nl) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1F69xJ-0002Xk-QF for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 06 Feb 2006 17:15:29 +0000 Received: from MARLEEN ([24.132.154.183]) by amsfep19-int.chello.nl (InterMail vM.6.01.04.04 201-2131-118-104-20050224) with SMTP id <20060206154811.OUTQ11483.amsfep19-int.chello.nl@MARLEEN> for ; Mon, 6 Feb 2006 16:48:11 +0100 Message-ID: <000a01c62b34$bcb30360$b79a8418@MARLEEN> From: "PA0WFO" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000001c62b1d$0cf35f40$e6a4c593@RD40002> Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2006 16:48:12 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 Subject: LF: Re: Re: More smoke... Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
Dear Jim , LF group .
Tnx for your explanation of what happens inside the FETS . after reading your comment and of several others I think it will be wise to measure the SWR between the TX and antenna / matching network at a low level before firing up to full output and to connect the SWR measuring circuit to the overcurrent  protection circuit of the ROPEX .
73, William PA0WFO
----- Original Message -----
From: james moritz
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Sent: Monday, February 06, 2006 1:58 PM
Subject: LF: Re: More smoke...

Dear William, LF Group,

 

Power MOSFETs work like big zener diodes anyway – if you exceed the drain-source breakdown voltage, avalanche occurs and the voltage is clamped, usually about 20 – 40% above the BVdss value (60V in this case). This does not harm the MOSFET directly, but does result in high power dissipation – if breakdown occurs at 80V, and the clamping current is 10A, 800W will be dissipated. This is OK if it only occurs during short, infrequent voltage “spikes”, but if the high voltage transients occur with a large duty cycle, the MOSFET will quickly overheat. It might be possible to connect high-power zeners across the MOSFET with a slightly lower breakdown voltage than the MOSFETs, but then the problem would be how to protect the zeners!

 

The current rating of these devices is so high it is unlikely the power supply will be able to deliver enough sustained current to cause them any problem. Power dissipation under mis-matched conditions could be a problem – although each device is rated at 150W, this refers to a case temperature of 25C. In reality, the case temperature will get much higher, limiting continuous power dissipation to maybe 50W or less per device without exceeding the junction temperature rating. If it is somehow possible for large transient voltages (greater than about 20V) to occur between the gate and source terminals, this will blow a hole in the gate oxide and destroy the device immediately.

 

Cheers, Jim Moritz

73 de M0BMU

 

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of PA0WFO
Sent: 04 February 2006 17:53
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Subject: LF: Re: Re: More smoke...

 

Dear All ,

In my Ropex transmitter I have a class D PA with 2 power fets Fairchild RFP 70N06 with rather generous ratings 70 Amps each and a  max voltage of 60 Volts the supply voltage is 13.8 Volts and a measured output of 154 Watts . When the antenna is mismatched for whatever reason will the Fets break down on voltage  or current peaks ? ( the DC input of 13.8 Volts is properly fused )  and is it possible to prevent voltage breakdown by fitting power zener diodes over the drain and source  of both Fets without spoiling their  efficiency . A fast overcurrentprotection is included in the circuit . The reason for this question is that we had a breakdown in the Ropex Fet final  of PA0VHF while tuning the antenna matching unit out of resonance ( while doing this the input was rather low ) and are wondering what caused it .( The heatsink was not hot at all while tuning up to the rated output )

 

73,William PA0WFO