Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Sat, 04 Feb 2006 23:55:40 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F5XFj-0004BU-Lu for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 04 Feb 2006 23:55:40 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F5XFj-0004BM-Hy for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 04 Feb 2006 23:55:39 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1F5XEu-00045Z-AF for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 04 Feb 2006 23:54:48 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1F5XEt-00045Q-Tw for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 04 Feb 2006 23:54:47 +0000 Received: from smtp811.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.12.12.201]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.51) id 1F5YZm-0005cO-Mr for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 05 Feb 2006 01:20:43 +0000 Received: (qmail 73150 invoked from network); 4 Feb 2006 23:54:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lark) (alan.melia@btinternet.com@81.131.30.115 with login) by smtp811.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Feb 2006 23:54:05 -0000 Message-ID: <000701c629e6$4a007a40$67b0fea9@lark> From: "Alan Melia" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2006 23:53:33 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Subject: LF: MF2LF and HF2LF Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Nothing seen here but it looks from checking later with Markus and Jim's messages as though I may have been monitoring the wrong frequencies. The problem here with only a 5 Hz or so window (30sec slow) is that the starting frequencies need to be known and declared to at least a few parts in 10^8. According to my discussions with Vaino OH2LX some years back in the case of the use of a BC station the effect would only be heard on a fairly narrow angle (20 to 30 degrees from memory) on the opposite side of the BC station to the source. This suggests that the active area is a sort of halo around the BC station. It probably will not be directly overhead the BC station as the radiated power will be a minimum "off the end" of the vertical tower. Audible ICM seems to require driving stations with a power in the 1MW region. Our detection methods are much more sensitive so we should be able to dig down below that with single "tone" and DSP methods. The question is "how does the ionosphere react to lower powers.....will it still produce intermod." One problem could be that if the intermod is created in the F-layer (as with 14MHz signal) the resulting LF product may nor be able to penetrate the lower layers again and may in fact "bounce off" out into space. From that point of view the MF frequencies might be a more productive area to test. I also believe that I have heard ICM (Ionospheric Cross Mod.) most when there has been a geomagnetic storm and lots of absorption. Vaino says there is no confirmation of this in any professional literature and my observations are sporadic and undocumented, but it sounds possible that the "hot" electrons in the D-layer after a storm could produce the effect. If this is the case we may have to wait another 4 or 5 years to confirm it. Cheers de Alan G3NYK