Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 00:56:04 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1EzkZP-0003li-Iw for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 00:56:04 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1EzkZP-0003fG-8q for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 00:56:03 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1EzkYm-00077u-CX for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 00:55:24 +0000 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1EzkYl-00077l-LN for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 00:55:23 +0000 Received: from mxsf40.cluster1.charter.net ([209.225.28.172]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1EzlAT-0006Aj-9B for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 20 Jan 2006 01:34:22 +0000 Received: from mxip12a.cluster1.charter.net (mxip12a.cluster1.charter.net [209.225.28.142]) by mxsf40.cluster1.charter.net (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k0K0tDPn003543 for ; Thu, 19 Jan 2006 19:55:14 -0500 Received: from 24-107-224-124.dhcp.oxfr.ma.charter.com (HELO [127.0.0.1]) (24.107.224.124) by mxip12a.cluster1.charter.net with ESMTP; 19 Jan 2006 19:55:13 -0500 X-IronPort-AV: i="4.01,202,1136178000"; d="scan'208"; a="2042030035:sNHT48912006" Message-ID: <43D03533.70109@w1tag.com> Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 00:56:19 +0000 From: John Andrews User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (Windows/20050923) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <016101c61d02$12ceca40$2101a8c0@pcroelof> <002b01c61d54$c510aaa0$20347ad5@w4o8m9> In-Reply-To: <002b01c61d54$c510aaa0$20347ad5@w4o8m9> Subject: Re: LF: Re: Mini Whip and local noise Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Jim's comments make sense, and I hope to do some experiments as time permits. I have been treating LF receive loops as balanced antennas, with no intended ground reference. This has been easy in my case, as I series tune the loop into a coupling transformer. Parallel tuning would also be possible. This arrangement has been much quieter than earlier attempts with unbalanced loops. Jay has carried this a bit further by using a twisted pair feeder back to the shack. My experiments with that at our summer place were inconclusive, but it might be a help in a noisy situation. I'm thinking of giving it a try here, as my local noises are higher than ever this winter, and Jay consistently has better copy on the TA signals. John Andrews