Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 11:19:07 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F0ziz-0006Rj-ID for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 23 Jan 2006 11:19:07 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F0ziz-0006RU-E5 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 23 Jan 2006 11:19:05 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1F0zir-00049T-Mk for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 23 Jan 2006 11:18:57 +0000 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1F0zir-00049K-76 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 23 Jan 2006 11:18:57 +0000 Received: from smtp804.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.12.12.141]) by relay2.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.51) id 1F10MD-0004QC-MM for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 23 Jan 2006 11:59:39 +0000 Received: (qmail 33133 invoked from network); 23 Jan 2006 11:18:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lark) (alan.melia@btinternet.com@213.122.120.250 with login) by smtp804.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jan 2006 11:18:53 -0000 Message-ID: <004f01c6200e$cbaecf60$67b0fea9@lark> From: "Alan Melia" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <43D493DB.15534.6E234E@localhost> <000701c61ffc$a1e84010$03b46dcb@cobaltxp> Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 11:18:17 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Subject: LF: Re: Kahn EER? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Hi Murray Welcome to the Reflector....a well known call-sign.....nice to see some more keen active stations from ZL. taking on the LF challenge I dont know whether it fits you definition but Andy G4JNT and Jim M0BMU did some work on using switching PAs for BPSK. Andy published a modulator design which is in the "LF Experimenters Handbook" by Peter Dodd G3LDO. Jim used this but also developed an "analogue" technique for sliding the phase change edges. This is obviously a lot easier with a DDS, and Brian CT1DRP has transmitted BPSK this way. The 136 band is not really wide enough for SSB so there has been little interest though I have copied Dave G3YXM on SSB using a linear PA.. The "widest" trasmission I can ever remember seeing in Europe was a few clover signals. PSK31 has been used but only seems suitable for short range, and does not stack up with other modes (even morse) for DX capability. This may be due to the impulsive noise on LF and the lack of error detection/correction (??) Cheers de Alan G3NYK alan.melia@btinternet.com www.alan.melia.btinternet.co.uk ----- Original Message ----- From: Murray ZL1BPU To: Sent: 23 January 2006 09:08 Subject: LF: Kahn EER? > Is anybody doing any work with Kahn Envelope Elimination and Restoration > technology on LF? It would be especially applicable to those of us with > nonlinear LF transmitters (class C, D, E) wishing to run sound card based > modes (and even SSB). > > I'm especially interested to know about any sound card to LF carrier and > amplitude exciter designs or converters, or I and Q converters. > > 73, > Murray ZL1BPU > >