Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 00:22:10 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1EboaP-0004yK-Aq for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 00:22:09 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1EboaO-0004yB-UZ for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 00:22:09 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Eboa7-0000K9-7M for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 00:21:51 +0000 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Eboa6-0000K0-OK for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 00:21:50 +0000 Received: from mx1.magmacom.com ([206.191.0.217]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1EbpjT-00018V-Qt for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 01:35:36 +0000 Received: from mail4.magma.ca (mail4.magma.ca [206.191.0.222]) by mx1.magmacom.com (8.13.0/8.13.0) with ESMTP id jAF0Lk4P008871; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 19:21:47 -0500 Received: from nocturna-y1zrar.magma.ca (nrtcorback-216-168-120-108.nrtco.net [216.168.120.108]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail4.magma.ca (8.13.0/8.13.0) with ESMTP id jAF0LiSg015625 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 14 Nov 2005 19:21:46 -0500 Message-Id: <6.2.5.6.1.20051114190437.01c901c0@magma.ca> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.5.6 Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 19:22:05 -0500 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: Bill de Carle Cc: lowfer@lwca.org In-Reply-To: <003001c5e969$cac25b20$0500a8c0@charter.net> References: <67398444.20051114165749@t-online.de> <001701c5e936$9c06e310$020aa8c0@Laptop> <4378C41C.90803@freenet.de> <002a01c5e947$e53da760$6901a8c0@AIRPORTTERMINAL> <43790026.9020900@freenet.de> <003001c5e969$cac25b20$0500a8c0@charter.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: LF: XES WOLF 5 Tonight Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit At 05:21 PM 11/14/2005, John wrote: >WD2XES is running WOLF at the 5 bit/sec rate on 137.422 kHz with 50 watts. 2005-11-14 23:56:23 >WOLF -r 8100 -f 799.95 -t 1.0 -w 0.0000 t: 48 f: 0.000 a:-0.3 dp:147.0 ci:15 cj:221 XES 50W WOLF 5 - t: 96 f: 0.000 a:-0.2 dp:148.7 ci:15 cj:221 XES 50W WOLF 5 - t: 192 f: 0.000 a:-0.4 dp:150.1 ci:15 cj:221 XES 50W WOLF 5 - t: 384 f: 0.000 pm:334567 jm:519 q: 10.1 10.5 XES 50W WOLF 5 - Looking at the waterfall display, I see a fair amount of QSB on your signal tonight John. Probably means quite a bit of flutter in the freq/phase measurements. Years ago when we were testing COHERENT BPSK on HF we found the optimum rate over many different sets of conditions was MS25 (40 bits per second). Most operators don't type fast enough to overflow the buffer at that rate, and the HF phase flutter is acceptable. At lower rates copy would degrade (more on some nights than others) due to flutter. We are trying to measure the phase during each bit time, so of course we get the best answer when phase stays constant over the bit time. When the frequency changes due to doppler it results in phase changes at the receiver (that were not transmitted), so we get more errors. Same result with mistuning. At MS100 (10 symbols per second), a tuning error of +/- 2.5 Hz produces an error in the measured phase of +/- 90 degrees, which gets us exactly to the halfway point so the receiver cannot decide which phase was transmitted regardless of the SNR. The slower the rate (more msec per bit), the more critical the tuning gets. I don't know what the optimum signaling rate happens to be for 137 Khz at night, but I'd be inclined to guess somewhere around MS50 or 20 symbols per second. We're all looking forward to testing WOLF at the faster speeds. Bill VE2IQ