Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 12:51:36 +0100 Received: by ptb-mxcore03.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1EFVnb-0003PZ-PK for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 14 Sep 2005 12:51:36 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore03.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1EFVnb-0003PT-KX for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 14 Sep 2005 12:51:35 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1EFVmO-0002Ga-LW for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 14 Sep 2005 12:50:20 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1EFVmO-0002GR-9B for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 14 Sep 2005 12:50:20 +0100 Received: from newbox.tcp.net.uk ([195.80.0.243]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1EFWFi-0003Yc-Qw for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 14 Sep 2005 13:20:43 +0100 Received: from standalone ([212.248.140.38]) by newbox.tcp.net.uk (8.12.7/8.12.7) with SMTP id j8EBoSlk000246 for ; Wed, 14 Sep 2005 12:50:29 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <000601c5b922$0e59f410$268cf8d4@standalone> From: "Andy" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 12:46:45 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-TCP-MailScanner-Information: Please visit www.tcp.co.uk for more information X-TCP-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-TCP-MailScanner-From: actalbot@southsurf.com Subject: LF: Current Transformers (off topic, but expertise probably here) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Can anyone help with this knotty annoying problem... I wanted to make a 50Hz current transformer (CT) to measure the input current waveform to a SMPSU. I took a small cheap transformer from a wall mounted PSU of about 6VA rating, and stripped off all the secondary winding replacing this with one turn of thick wire to form the primary of teh CT. The old 240V winding had a DC resistance of around 1k, but this should ( ??) be irrelevant to CT operation The one turn generated about 0.3V RMS from a 240V input, although after some prolonged testing as a CT, I realised I had got the turns calculation some way out, but thats by-the-way, (it was actually nearer 5000 than 4000). That suggested the turns ratio as approximately 4000 turns on the 240V mains winding. So for a first test, I used a 4k burden resistor with the intention of obtaining a resultant voltage output of 1Volt / Amp of primary current. That way, with at the most 10V across it(corresponding to 10A input) the core must surely be way below saturation so should give good linearity - shouldn't it !!!. BUT, and I don't know how to account for it, there was a very significant non-linearity . Testing over a range of currents from 0.2A RMS to 9A, the slope of the Vout / Iin graph shifted by nearly a factor of 2. That says 'core saturation' to me, but I don't see how that can be. If the core is saturating with just 9V across a winding designed for 240V, it doesn't say a lot for the device in a PSU. Should reducing the value of the burden resistor help matters? Can anyone shed any light on this? I want a good linear current transformer that will work to 13A RMS that can be used for signal analysis of the current and voltage waveforms by feeding into an A/D and calculating what's really happening when fed with typical mains supply inputs. I don't want to use a massive transformer if that is not essential! Andy G4JNT