Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Wed, 03 Aug 2005 19:53:25 +0100 Received: by ptb-mxcore04.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1E0OMl-0007xT-LY for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 03 Aug 2005 19:53:25 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore04.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1E0OMl-0007xH-HJ for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 03 Aug 2005 19:53:23 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1E0OLg-00069N-Ak for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 03 Aug 2005 19:52:16 +0100 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1E0OLf-00069E-GS for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 03 Aug 2005 19:52:15 +0100 Received: from web25708.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.12.10.180]) by relay2.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.51) id 1E0Ogl-0008Du-Gg for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 03 Aug 2005 20:14:04 +0100 Received: (qmail 54657 invoked by uid 60001); 3 Aug 2005 18:52:05 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=oPiOpIIUNp4Eyezpwm2X0DeXlrCM3rNfMy+s9sSWY1or//Va42jLq0C4H/x4y1iPZWyhTSegJIkKVzmtweJjBeLWM4006bevHJgbiAfO+W9MFMDRlmSjKQ8RyPKphha/jjdMjlZ1gevlEZ8idgExE39meRLY2Or2YhGcnkRHGdY= ; Message-ID: <20050803185205.54655.qmail@web25708.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Received: from [213.78.182.231] by web25708.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 03 Aug 2005 19:52:04 BST Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2005 19:52:04 +0100 (BST) From: brian hodgson To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: <42F086A9.25339.6CCEF9@localhost> MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: LF: Soil Conductivity Measurement Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00)
Mike Dennison <mike.dennison@ntlworld.com> wrote:

>Although it is interesting to know the ground conductivity, the main
>losses in a small LF antenna are environmental. This includes losses
>in trees, buildings etc. These are sometimes all lumped together and
>misleadingly described as 'ground losses'.
 
Hi All,
 
I've been making some changes/measurements on my rectangular loop
which seem to confirm Mike's findings. The loop is 3.5m high by 8m wide.
It has a DC resistance of 0.5 ohms and an RF resistance (at 136 kHz
resonance) of 0.9 ohms (skin effect?). I recently put two 550 microHenry coils in the
horizontal parts of the loop - each coil has a DC resistance of 1.5 ohms and
a Q at 136 kHz of about 120 ie an equivalent series resistance of about 4 ohms.
 
I was hoping that the total equivalent series resistance would be about 10 ohms
(ie one loop plus two coils) but it measures 40 ohms !!
 
The loop is hung from the branches of trees and although not totally
surrounded by leaves, it's more than 50%. As there is no earth connection
involved I guess the extra 30 ohms of loss is due to the dielectric properties of
the wood and leaves. 
 
Brian - G3YKB


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