Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 23:08:01 +0100 Received: by ptb-mxcore15.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1DspOa-0005ER-VD for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 13 Jul 2005 23:08:01 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore15.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1DspOa-0005E7-PN for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 13 Jul 2005 23:08:00 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1DspO9-0005kz-3n for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 Jul 2005 23:07:33 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1DspO8-0005kq-GM for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 Jul 2005 23:07:32 +0100 Received: from mout2.freenet.de ([194.97.50.155]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1DspU6-0007Zg-5A for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 Jul 2005 23:13:44 +0100 Received: from [194.97.50.144] (helo=mx1.freenet.de) by mout2.freenet.de with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1DspO5-00070n-U4 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 00:07:29 +0200 Received: from p5486b088.dip0.t-ipconnect.de ([84.134.176.136] helo=[192.168.0.200]) by mx1.freenet.de with esmtpsa (ID dl4yhf@freenet.de) (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.52 #3) id 1DspO5-0002bl-MX for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 00:07:29 +0200 Message-ID: <42D5747E.6050502@freenet.de> Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 22:07:26 +0200 From: Wolf DL4YHF User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) X-Accept-Language: de-DE, de, en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: LF: Rugby lines Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Hi Dave, >The blanker idea may work but when there is such a large proportion of >noise, if you manage to cut it all out there isn't much signal left >anyway... > > > Well, the blanker would cost you about 1/5th along the time axis (see screenshot below). During the remaining 4/5th the receiver may run at maximum sensitivity - which would theoretically cost you about 2dB. This screenshot was made from Jim's recording (without the noiseblanker of course). Imagine you wiped out the pulse trains, and filled the "gaps" by using a receiver with a bandwidth of less than 1/GRI. Here: 1/63 milliseconds, which means RX bandwidth of less than ~ 15 Hz, which still suitable for moderate "normal" CW speeds. Of course, this principle only works as long as Rugby doesn't start dual-rated transmission (like some other Loran sites) - this would make things much more complicated. Best regards, Wolf DL4YHF