Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 17:21:43 +0100 Received: by pih-mxcore09.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1Dl7yv-0000Oa-Bm for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 22 Jun 2005 17:21:42 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by pih-mxcore09.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1Dl7yv-0000Mg-6h for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 22 Jun 2005 17:21:41 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Dl7yI-0007oz-Py for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 22 Jun 2005 17:21:02 +0100 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Dl7yI-0007oq-3T for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 22 Jun 2005 17:21:02 +0100 Received: from hestia.herts.ac.uk ([147.197.200.9]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1Dl7yt-0001nr-TR for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 22 Jun 2005 17:21:41 +0100 Received: from altair ([147.197.215.111] helo=altair.herts.ac.uk) by hestia.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 1Dl7y0-0005Qz-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 22 Jun 2005 17:20:44 +0100 Received: from [147.197.164.230] (helo=RD40002) by altair.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1Dl7xW-0001qb-8F for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 22 Jun 2005 17:20:14 +0100 From: "james moritz" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 17:20:14 +0100 Message-ID: <000201c57746$45846dd0$e6a4c593@RD40002> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-UH-MailScanner: No Virus detected X-UH-MailScanner-From: j.r.moritz@herts.ac.uk Subject: LF: RE: RE: Rugby Loran QRV Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Dear Gary, LF Group, I don't think it is a total disaster, although it will certainly make CW operation much harder for stations in the central part of the UK, and I guess it will also affect the LF SSB John and the cave radio people use. The signal from Rugby to your QTH and most of the UK will be mostly ground wave, so probably not much different between day and night. On the other hand, the QRN noise level usually rises 10dB or more during the night, so the effect of the Loran noise will effectively be reduced. I guess where you are you should get a quite good null with your loop antenna - although the nulls will also reduce wanted signal levels from other UK and southern European stations. The same applies at my QTH, plus it will be difficult to null out both Lessay and Rugby at the same time. QRSS operation should be little affected provided a signal frequency can be chosen that is between two Loran lines - but even random frequency selection should be OK in a majority of cases because there are more gaps than lines. With signals with BW of more than a few Hz, such as PSK31, "Hell", or the wider settings of "Jason" and DFCW it will be difficult to avoid some interference problems, however. Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Gary - G4WGT Sent: 22 June 2005 13:49 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: RE: Rugby Loran QRV ...I compared noise levels with previous Spec Lab captures & I am also reading about a 10db or more increase across 136 KHz using on the spectrum graph on Spec Lab. The waterfall display is showing strong LORAN lines all across the display, considering this is at mid-day is it going to be worse at night in darkness? if this is the case it will be useless for me. With the G3LNP loop connected straight to the Yaesu FT-747 & the loop tuned to the 136 KHz band the signal strength on the S-Meter has increased from S4 to S9...