Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Sun, 22 May 2005 13:07:37 +0100 Received: from ptb-spamcore01.plus.net ([192.168.71.1]) by pih-mxcore05.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v1.0) id 1DZpF2-0003Rq-VE for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 22 May 2005 13:07:37 +0100 Received: from Debian-exim by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (Exim 4.50) id 1DZpEv-0001nq-Dj for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 22 May 2005 13:07:36 +0100 Received: from [192.168.101.77] (helo=pih-mxcore11.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1DZpEv-0001nn-Bz for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 22 May 2005 13:07:29 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by pih-mxcore11.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v1.0) id 1DZpEv-0003Uh-4s for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 22 May 2005 13:07:29 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1DZpEK-0000Bf-Cq for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 22 May 2005 13:06:52 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1DZpEJ-0000BW-PM for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 22 May 2005 13:06:51 +0100 Received: from smtp-out1.hurontel.on.ca ([216.46.129.246]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DZpEI-0003gS-7d for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 22 May 2005 13:06:51 +0100 Received: from mail.hurontel.on.ca (mail.hurontel.on.ca [216.46.129.11]) by smtp-out1.hurontel.on.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j4MBxQGU009956 for ; Sun, 22 May 2005 07:59:27 -0400 Received: from server (dial183-ripley2.hurontel.on.ca [216.46.149.183]) by mail.hurontel.on.ca (8.12.10+Sun/8.12.10) with SMTP id j4MC5pXH008809 for ; Sun, 22 May 2005 08:05:52 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <003a01c55ebe$f98b99c0$b7952ed8@server> From: "J. B. Weazle McCreath" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000c01c55a6e$8d82f740$37d0fc3e@l8p8y6> <000d01c55b45$acb45e60$ac068351@w4o8m9> <002f01c55d97$09df4840$8c802ed8@server> <000901c55d99$bb7d7cf0$0700a8c0@Laptop> <005201c55e00$e1f57ce0$8c802ed8@server> <001901c55e4e$6ceda1e0$0500a8c0@charter.net> Date: Sun, 22 May 2005 12:11:11 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 216.46.129.246 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of hurontel.on.ca Subject: LF: Re: Loop antenna problem W1TAG suggestion Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v4.00s) -- Original Message ----- From: "John Andrews" Sent: Saturday, May 21, 2005 10:45 PM Subject: LF:Re: Loop antenna problem > J.B., > > There is another approach you might want to consider. Skip the single turn > link altogether. Rather than the normal parallel tuning, series tune the > loop into a transformer wound on a ferrite core. The turns ratio of the > transformer will determine the Q of the loop. You might not want a really > high Q setup with a loop of that size. > > I have been using a 10 turn (on the loop side) to 20 turn transformer to > couple to a 50 ohm termination. This places a nominal 12.5 Ohms in series > with the loop. A higher ratio would improve the Q, but this might be a good > starting point for you to play with. The core material in this case is #77, > but #43 or similar should be OK. > > The advantage of this arrangement is that the loop remains inherently > balanced to ground, while giving you the flexibility of playing with the > coupling. You may choose to put the preamp right at the transformer > secondary, or run a coax line back to the shack. A short write-up on > my arrangement is available at: > http://www.w1tag.com/rxloop.htm > > John Andrews > Hello John, LFers, Thanks for your suggestion on the series tuning setup. Yesterday I tried a simple non-shielded single turn pickup loop but it was no different than my original shielded pickup. I can't help but think that I'm getting led down the garden path by something, but I'm amiss as to what! Do you suppose that because I used #12 wire, rather than the #20 that Steve, VE3SL, used on his loop that my Q is too high and therefore the bandwidth is too narrow? I think I'll wind a toroid transformer today based on your info (I checked your website too) and see if I can get better results. Niels had suggested I try a capacitive divider, but my collection of caps doesn't have anything close to the values he recommended. I'll keep on plugging away at it until I get it to work.