Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Mon, 23 May 2005 12:53:09 +0100 Received: by ptb-mxcore03.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1DaBUa-00064u-3d for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 23 May 2005 12:53:09 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore03.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1DaBUZ-00063X-T8 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 23 May 2005 12:53:08 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1DaBTt-0002Tr-Kb for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 23 May 2005 12:52:25 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1DaBTt-0002Ti-43 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 23 May 2005 12:52:25 +0100 Received: from fh1024.dia.cp.net ([64.97.168.34] helo=n068.sc1.cp.net) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DaBTr-0000UP-Jl for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 23 May 2005 12:52:25 +0100 Received: from l8p8y6 (62.252.232.131) by n068.sc1.cp.net (7.0.043) id 4291A94A0000A73E for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 23 May 2005 11:52:15 +0000 Message-ID: <000201c55f81$6f552c80$83e8fc3e@l8p8y6> From: "hamilton mal" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000c01c55a6e$8d82f740$37d0fc3e@l8p8y6> <000d01c55b45$acb45e60$ac068351@w4o8m9> <002f01c55d97$09df4840$8c802ed8@server> <000901c55d99$bb7d7cf0$0700a8c0@Laptop> <005201c55e00$e1f57ce0$8c802ed8@server> <001901c55e4e$6ceda1e0$0500a8c0@charter.net> <003a01c55ebe$f98b99c0$b7952ed8@server> Date: Sun, 22 May 2005 16:44:54 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 64.97.168.34 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of virgin.net Subject: LF: Re: Re: Loop antenna problem W1TAG suggestion Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) ----- Original Message ----- From: "J. B. Weazle McCreath" To: Sent: Sunday, May 22, 2005 12:11 PM Subject: LF: Re: Loop antenna problem W1TAG suggestion > > -- Original Message ----- > From: "John Andrews" > Sent: Saturday, May 21, 2005 10:45 PM > Subject: LF:Re: Loop antenna problem > > > > J.B., > > > > There is another approach you might want to consider. Skip the single turn > > link altogether. Rather than the normal parallel tuning, series tune the > > loop into a transformer wound on a ferrite core. The turns ratio of the > > transformer will determine the Q of the loop. You might not want a really > > high Q setup with a loop of that size. > > > > I have been using a 10 turn (on the loop side) to 20 turn transformer to > > couple to a 50 ohm termination. This places a nominal 12.5 Ohms in series > > with the loop. A higher ratio would improve the Q, but this might be a > good > > starting point for you to play with. The core material in this case is > #77, > > but #43 or similar should be OK. > > > > The advantage of this arrangement is that the loop remains inherently > > balanced to ground, while giving you the flexibility of playing with the > > coupling. You may choose to put the preamp right at the transformer > > secondary, or run a coax line back to the shack. A short write-up on > > my arrangement is available at: > > http://www.w1tag.com/rxloop.htm > > > > John Andrews > > > > Hello John, LFers, > > Thanks for your suggestion on the series tuning setup. Yesterday I tried a > simple non-shielded single turn pickup loop but it was no different than my > original shielded pickup. I can't help but think that I'm getting led down > the garden path by something, but I'm amiss as to what! > > Do you suppose that because I used #12 wire, rather than the #20 that > Steve, VE3SL, used on his loop that my Q is too high and therefore the > bandwidth is too narrow? I think I'll wind a toroid transformer today > based on your info (I checked your website too) and see if I can get > better results. > > Niels had suggested I try a capacitive divider, but my collection of caps > doesn't have anything close to the values he recommended. I'll keep on > plugging away at it until I get it to work. This is probably the best approach for your loop, or any series or parallel arrangment I use a parallel resonating approach on my 80 m perimeter vertical loop and never had a problem. G3KEV > > > >