Return-Path: Received: (qmail 63902 invoked from network); 12 Apr 2005 14:08:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 12 Apr 2005 14:08:59 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1DLM6V-0000Uf-F0 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 12 Apr 2005 15:10:59 +0100 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore01.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1DLM6V-0000UR-3b for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 12 Apr 2005 15:10:59 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1DLM8g-0007ba-Ub for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 12 Apr 2005 15:13:15 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1DLM4M-0002bE-Ea for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 Apr 2005 15:08:46 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1DLM4M-0002b5-32 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 Apr 2005 15:08:46 +0100 Received: from smtpout16.mailhost.ntl.com ([212.250.162.16] helo=mta08-winn.mailhost.ntl.com) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DLM4K-0002yk-NO for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 Apr 2005 15:08:46 +0100 Received: from aamta02-winn.mailhost.ntl.com ([212.250.162.8]) by mta08-winn.mailhost.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20050412140839.WKUR928.mta08-winn.mailhost.ntl.com@aamta02-winn.mailhost.ntl.com> for ; Tue, 12 Apr 2005 15:08:39 +0100 Received: from mikedennison ([80.4.116.83]) by aamta02-winn.mailhost.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20050412140839.VCBL1289.aamta02-winn.mailhost.ntl.com@mikedennison> for ; Tue, 12 Apr 2005 15:08:39 +0100 From: "Mike Dennison" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2005 15:08:32 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <425BE470.11467.1CE4090@localhost> In-reply-to: <5.1.0.14.0.20050412154826.02288930@u0019445.kuleuven.be> References: <425BCF3E.11650.17B7688@localhost> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.21c) Content-description: Mail message body X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: domain of ntlworld.com designates 212.250.162.16 as permitted sender X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,none Subject: LF: Pseudo-synch QRSS Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) > "TX/RX synchronisation" would reduce the time occupied by FFT by 100 > or more (from several FFT/sec to 1 FFT/min). The "calculation power" > that becomes available could be used to improve SNR. But How ? Here we > need some smart guys. I think you are even a bit pessimistic about the > synchronisation error. It can be reduced to 1/10 of a second or even > better, if the PC clock is locked to a GPS source, DCF or similar. > 73, Rik ON7YD Rik, My point is that there has been a lot of discussion about locking to GPS, or Loran, or some other standard, and it has failed to attract any practical interest because it is more complex than most amateurs would like. An improvement could be made by simply making sure that the computers at both ends are within a few seconds of each other (for QRSS 60 or 120), and ensuring that the FFT software knows roughly when the dot period starts. As I understand it (and I know very little about FFT), this would allow integration over a longer period and remove the need for the sliding window that takes care of the randomly timed signals (ie we could have nice square edges to the Morse). Your 'QRS' software can already deal with transmission times locked to the computer. Perhaps there is someone out there who can comment on the receive side, Mike, G3XDV http://lf.apersonalguide.co.uk ======================