Return-Path: Received: (qmail 13729 invoked from network); 12 Apr 2005 20:36:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore03.plus.net) (192.168.71.7) by ptb-mailstore03.plus.net with SMTP; 12 Apr 2005 20:36:32 -0000 Received: from Debian-exim by ptb-spamcore03.plus.net with spam-scanned (Exim 4.44) id 1DLS7c-0000sL-9S for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 12 Apr 2005 21:36:32 +0100 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore01.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore03.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.44) id 1DLS7c-0000sG-6h for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 12 Apr 2005 21:36:32 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1DLSBm-00014X-9B for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 12 Apr 2005 21:40:50 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1DLS7T-0004Ic-Ai for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 Apr 2005 21:36:23 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1DLS7S-0004IT-SA for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 Apr 2005 21:36:22 +0100 Received: from nibbel.kulnet.kuleuven.ac.be ([134.58.240.41]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DLS7R-0005fr-FT for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 Apr 2005 21:36:22 +0100 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nibbel.kulnet.kuleuven.ac.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id E55F44BDBC for ; Tue, 12 Apr 2005 22:36:15 +0200 (CEST) Received: from lepidus.kulnet.kuleuven.ac.be (lepidus.kulnet.kuleuven.ac.be [134.58.240.72]) by nibbel.kulnet.kuleuven.ac.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 709014BDBB for ; Tue, 12 Apr 2005 22:36:13 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost (webmail2.cc.kuleuven.ac.be [134.58.242.4]) by lepidus.kulnet.kuleuven.ac.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E4D5380080 for ; Tue, 12 Apr 2005 22:36:13 +0200 (CEST) Received: from 209-166.240.81.adsl.skynet.be (209-166.240.81.adsl.skynet.be [81.240.166.209]) by webmail2.kuleuven.be (IMP) with HTTP for ; Tue, 12 Apr 2005 22:36:08 +0200 Message-ID: <1113338168.425c31390202f@webmail2.kuleuven.be> Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2005 22:36:09 +0200 From: Rik Strobbe To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000701c53f43$2e3dd4d0$5f4136d2@mcalevey> <5.1.0.14.0.20050412154826.02288930@u0019445.kuleuven.be> <425BFCE8.9010004@usa.net> In-Reply-To: <425BFCE8.9010004@usa.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.2-cvs X-Originating-IP: 81.240.166.209 X-Virus-Scanned: by KULeuven Antivirus Cluster X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 134.58.240.41 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of fys.kuleuven.ac.be X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,none Subject: Re: LF: G3AQC in ZL Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v4.00) Hello Alberto, phase coherence maybe a bit tricky. I am not a mathematic expert, but just intuitive I would say that knowing the exact time of begin and end of a dot could be used to improve SNR. One possibility that comes to my mind : Assume * a series of dot sequence (let's say 5 = .....) * a dot length of 1 minute * each dot starts exactly at the full minute Now take one FFT every second, with the samples from the last 60 seconds. the subsequent FFT's should show a triangular wave that has a period of 2 minutes and is in phase to the minute rytme. Maybe using the right technique (kind of FFT of the FFT ?) one could detect this 2 minute triangular wave at signal levels that are to weak to bring up the dots with ARGO or similar software. Makes this sense or it is just a stupid idea ? 73, Rik Citeren Alberto di Bene : > > > "TX/RX synchronisation" would reduce the time occupied by FFT by > 100 > > or more (from several FFT/sec to 1 FFT/min). The "calculation > power" > > that becomes available could be used to improve SNR. But How ? > > Maybe, if the Tx and Rx can be brought into phase coherence (what > about > ionospheric effects ?) > then the FFT could be replaced by techniques working in the time > domain, > like correlation and > Wiener or matched filtering... maybe someone more expert than me on > the > subject would comment. > > 73 Alberto I2PHD > > > >