Return-Path: Received: (qmail 78851 invoked from network); 5 Mar 2005 19:20:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 5 Mar 2005 19:20:56 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1D7es4-0008dJ-Du for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 05 Mar 2005 19:23:29 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore01.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1D7es4-0008dG-Ag for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 05 Mar 2005 19:23:28 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1D7eru-0000SU-R2 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 05 Mar 2005 19:23:18 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1D7epN-0003mb-Sm for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 05 Mar 2005 19:20:41 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1D7epN-0003mS-HL for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 05 Mar 2005 19:20:41 +0000 Received: from smtpout18.mailhost.ntl.com ([212.250.162.18] helo=mta10-winn.mailhost.ntl.com) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1D7epM-000406-3z for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 05 Mar 2005 19:20:41 +0000 Received: from aamta08-winn.mailhost.ntl.com ([212.250.162.8]) by mta10-winn.mailhost.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20050305192034.KDIG20856.mta10-winn.mailhost.ntl.com@aamta08-winn.mailhost.ntl.com> for ; Sat, 5 Mar 2005 19:20:34 +0000 Received: from mikedennison ([80.4.116.83]) by aamta08-winn.mailhost.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20050305192034.GXC1844.aamta08-winn.mailhost.ntl.com@mikedennison> for ; Sat, 5 Mar 2005 19:20:34 +0000 From: "Mike Dennison" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Sat, 05 Mar 2005 19:20:35 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <422A0683.19409.12E247C@localhost> In-reply-to: <4229F814.8060202@usa.net> References: <4229F14D.12369.DB4AB1@localhost> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.21c) Content-description: Mail message body X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: domain of ntlworld.com designates 212.250.162.18 as permitted sender X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,none Subject: Re: LF: Re: Slow mode comparisons Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) > going from QRSS3 to QRSS10, when using Argo, means that the FFT bin > size is 4 times > smaller, and this results in an increase of 6 dB of SNR, provided the > useful signal is still confined into a single bin. > 73 Alberto I2PHD > --------------------------------- Of course. I was not suggesting there was something magical about slower speeds, or that QRSS10 should be used when signals are strong. It was just that here was a practical demonstration of the huge difference in readability on a signal that was just unreadable in QRSS3. I know the decibels - but here is what it looks like. The downside is that the whole QSO took two hours! Several people have defended DFCW as though I had attacked it. I was involved with the discussions when DFCW was first tested, and in suggesting some of the improvements made to it. For the record, I think DFCW is a very useful mode as it greatly speeds up throughput with similar S/N to QRSS. If you look at my pictures, though, you will see that on this particular occasion DFCW was slightly worse than QRSS. Mike, G3XDV http://lf.apersonalguide.co.uk =====================