Return-Path: Received: (qmail 92637 invoked from network); 30 Mar 2005 10:30:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore03.plus.net with SMTP; 30 Mar 2005 10:30:26 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1DGaSI-000P1K-5B for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 30 Mar 2005 11:29:57 +0100 Received: from [192.168.67.3] (helo=ptb-mxcore03.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1DGaRr-000OqF-Gt for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 30 Mar 2005 11:29:21 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore03.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1DGaUR-00084K-HX for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 30 Mar 2005 11:31:59 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1DGaRR-0007on-DO for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 30 Mar 2005 11:28:53 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1DGaRQ-0007oe-Vs for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 30 Mar 2005 11:28:52 +0100 Received: from smtp807.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.12.12.197]) by relay.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DGaRP-0001fx-9p for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 30 Mar 2005 11:28:52 +0100 Received: from unknown (HELO Main) (Alan.Melia@81.135.14.57 with login) by smtp807.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Mar 2005 10:28:41 -0000 Message-ID: <002901c53513$3d541ae0$6507a8c0@Main> From: "Alan Melia" To: "LF-Group" Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 11:27:57 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 217.12.12.197 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of btinternet.com X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,none Subject: Fw: Re: LF: More on cores...] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Posted for Andre Alan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andre Kesteloot" To: "Alan Melia" Sent: 30 March 2005 04:55 Subject: [Fwd: Re: LF: More on cores...] > Hello Alan, > I have recently (this week) posted two e-mails on blacksheep, but > neither has appeared back in my mail box. > Is the RSGB reflector down, or is this a simple case of discrimination > against us "Murkans ? :-) > Best regards > André N4ICK > **************************** > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: Re: LF: More on cores... > Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 15:00:31 -0500 > From: Andre Kesteloot > Reply-To: andre.kesteloot@ieee.org > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org, sq5bpm@wp.pl > References: <001301c533a6$e3f37c60$2102000a@ibm> > <004701c533c7$5f9b2a00$546ca450@preinstapdq0tf> > <000801c533ce$756d3ce0$2102000a@ibm> <42494D98.8060506@wp.pl> > > > > Marek SQ5BPM wrote: > > > Hello all, > > > > I noticed that people are using much more turns than me in the output > > transformer, so I would appreciate any help in calculating the correct > > number of turns for the cores I am using here. Messing around the > > trafo would probably allow me to achieve more power than now (450W). > > Trying to go higher causes heavy ringing + FET heating. I've tried > > almost everything to reduce this (different combinations of Zobel > > network, decoupling, inductances in series with gates, screening, > > grounding etc.). In every case around 400W things start to go bad, > > 450W is a border of manageable heat and ringing. I am thinking about > > making a new FET driver in a way that allows regulation of the time of > > the FET on-state, leaving some rest period in-between. > > In a single-ended Class C stage, we think of the load as the resistance > that will allow the collector to swing from the supply to > ground, hence R = V2/P and P = > (Vrms)2 / R (1) > This is a rms voltage, and since Vrms = (Vpeak / 1.414) we can replace > the value of Vrms in (1) hence > P = (Vpeak)2 > / (1.414)2 * R = (Vds)2 / 2R > > When we have a push pull, we can consider it as being made up of two > halves, each supplying P/2. > Hence Zdd = > (Vds)2/2*(Pout/2)+(Vds)2/2*(Pout/2)=2(Vds)2/Pout (2) > So far, so good, for _sinusoidal_ signals. > > Now it would seem to me that when we deal with class D circuitry, we > are dealing with (almost perfect) square waves, where average power, > r.m.s. power and peak power are all the same. > > When a Power MosFet conducts, its internal resistance is so low that it > effectively brings the corresponding output transformer side to > ground. Because of the transformer action, the other drain is now at > 2*Vdd, as can be seen clearly on a scope. > We can consider that each MosFet works 1/2 of the time from a drain > voltage that is actually (2*Vdd). > Hence the power switched into the core by both devices is > Pout = (2 * > Vdd)2 / Zdd . > > When calculating the number of turns required for good transformer > action, is not unusual to consider each individual winding inductance as > having to be larger than 10 x the load and source impedance presented > to it. > > Dye and Grangberg "Radio Frequency Transistors" is of course excellent, > but tends to focus more on wide-band RF amplifiers. For a very good > treatment of transformer-coupled class D power amplifier, you may want > to reference "Solid State Radio Engineering", by Krauss, Bostian and > Raab, pp.438-448. > > Hope this helps > > 73 > André N4ICK >