Return-Path: Received: (qmail 86874 invoked from network); 1 Mar 2005 10:55:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 1 Mar 2005 10:55:37 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1D6546-00008t-Lo for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 01 Mar 2005 10:57:25 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore01.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1D6544-00008P-Qq for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 01 Mar 2005 10:57:21 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1D654O-0000Xo-Ve for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 01 Mar 2005 10:57:41 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1D651y-00034D-QO for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 01 Mar 2005 10:55:10 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1D651w-00032I-1V for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 01 Mar 2005 10:55:08 +0000 Received: from smtp808.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.12.12.198]) by relay.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.43) id 1D651t-0001rE-Jo for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 01 Mar 2005 10:55:07 +0000 Received: from unknown (HELO Main) (Alan.Melia@213.122.25.33 with login) by smtp808.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Mar 2005 10:54:59 -0000 Message-ID: <002801c51e4d$170bede0$6507a8c0@Main> From: "Alan Melia" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <003e01c51e2b$0f93d220$0201a8c0@private.network> <000b01c51e3b$b1aaed40$0201a8c0@private.network> Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2005 10:54:45 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 217.12.12.198 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of btinternet.com X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,none Subject: LF: Re: Re: [LW] ... --- ... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.1 required=5.0 tests=MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Hi Scott....Ah yes you do need to be "in phase"......glad it works well ....keep a fire extinguisher handy !! It looks my ideas about conditions may be about right..... I have a decodable signal from Laurence's WD2XDW last night. I have not seen that for a long time. Alan G3NYK ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Tilley" To: ; Cc: "Steve McDonald" Sent: 01 March 2005 08:50 Subject: LF: Re: [LW] ... --- ... Seems I was alittle quick to call for help! I found the problem. When the two 4013 dividers are powered up individually they sinc differently (of course they would!). Solution: reset one TXs LV PSU until it is in phase or share one PSU! With the TXs running with a conservative 36V supply we get 750W output to the dummy load. I love the smell of burning dummy load in the morning... 73 Scott ----- Original Message ----- From: Scott Tilley To: lowfer@lwca.org ; rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sent: Monday, February 28, 2005 10:51 PM Subject: [LW] ... --- ... The smoke test of this Wilkinson Combiner was successfull in that no smoke came out and nothing died. However, we get enough heat to cook an egg on the 100ohm balance resistor. We have a scope match on the output to the dummy load and it shows about 225W from one transmitter, add another and we get 450W, success NOPE! The transmitters are outputting ~450W each! Therefore, half the power is being absorbed in the 100ohm balance resistor. Examining the phase relationship of the input to the combiner waveforms indicates they are in phase within ~10degrees and almost equal in amplitude. So what gives! Anyone have some idea what may be going wrong? Of course we have checked and doubled checked the circuit for errors and nothing... All seems as it should according to formulas and drawings we have viewed and designed it from. Does anyone have an idea how we could troubleshoot our way through this? Any advice would be appreciated. 73 Scott and Steve(It's all his fault ;-) Check the status of radio beacon 'TIL' in CN89lg at: www.scottboxx.com/radio