Return-Path: Received: (qmail 73885 invoked from network); 13 Mar 2005 20:49:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 13 Mar 2005 20:49:51 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1DAa5m-000GB0-6D for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 13 Mar 2005 20:53:43 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.2] (helo=ptb-mxcore02.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1DAa5l-000GAp-R8 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 13 Mar 2005 20:53:41 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1DAa21-000FN3-CJ for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 13 Mar 2005 20:49:49 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1DAa1e-00013T-8Z for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Mar 2005 20:49:26 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1DAa1d-00013K-QC for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Mar 2005 20:49:25 +0000 Received: from smtp814.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.12.12.204]) by relay.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DAa1c-00087w-CM for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Mar 2005 20:49:25 +0000 Received: from unknown (HELO Main) (Alan.Melia@213.122.1.169 with login) by smtp814.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Mar 2005 20:49:18 -0000 Message-ID: <002301c5280e$22d70fe0$6507a8c0@Main> From: "Alan Melia" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <311067511@web.de> <4234A260.10600@g3ysx.org.uk> Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 20:49:19 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 217.12.12.204 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of btinternet.com X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,none Subject: Re: LF: Re:Off topic, spark gaps, from dk8nd Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Hi Stwart, the same thing is used in surge arrestors for submarine cable repeaters....the high voltage clamp is a gas tube, but being in the dark it requires an little ionisation to be sure it strikes at the right voltage. Some neons wont strike properly if you leave in the drawer for years. By the way did you get my reply about the HiRose coax lead ?? or are all my mails falling into your virus trap ?? Cheers de Alan G3NYK ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stewart Bryant" To: Sent: 13 March 2005 20:28 Subject: Re: LF: Re:Off topic, spark gaps, from dk8nd In interesting effect with spark gaps is the way that they change character when they are not used. Apparently the metal surfaces grow whiskers which are burned away with use. So if you do not use a spark gap for a while the breakdown voltage lowers, and gradually increases as the whiskers get burned off. I would therefore think that not only do you need to use a radioactive source to ensure a source of ionization, but you would need to run the gap in before getting an accurate result. The ionization trick is also used in low jitter thyratrons, although some, such as the infamous KN22B also provide a preionised gas supply so as to ensure that the discharge characteristics are identical from shot to shot. - Stewart G3YSX