Return-Path: Received: (qmail 96675 invoked from network); 15 Mar 2005 20:46:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 15 Mar 2005 20:46:08 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1DBIz6-0001mX-1x for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 15 Mar 2005 20:49:50 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore01.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1DBIz5-0001mI-Oo for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 15 Mar 2005 20:49:47 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1DBIyI-0001j9-Cs for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 15 Mar 2005 20:48:58 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1DBIuK-0000Nn-TR for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 15 Mar 2005 20:44:52 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1DBIuK-0000Ne-Gy for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 15 Mar 2005 20:44:52 +0000 Received: from smtp800.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.12.12.142]) by relay.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DBIuJ-0005Wu-47 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 15 Mar 2005 20:44:52 +0000 Received: from unknown (HELO Main) (Alan.Melia@81.131.6.220 with login) by smtp800.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Mar 2005 20:44:44 -0000 Message-ID: <002201c5299f$d2e52a60$6507a8c0@Main> From: "Alan Melia" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <001a01c5295a$de69fa90$378cf8d4@standalone> <000f01c5298b$e9322de0$6901a8c0@AIRPORTTERMINAL> Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 20:30:17 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 217.12.12.142 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of btinternet.com X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,none Subject: LF: Re: DST Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Hi Jay, yes I think John has it about right. I look at it this way.....you are trying to estimate the values of a "current" flowing round the equator in the Van Allen belt. This generates a field that you can detect at the Equator and less so further away from the equator, with a sensitive magnetic field measuring device (Magetometer) The magnitude of the field due to the ring current is about 0.1% of the static geomagnetic field. Unfortunately the magnetometer will also respond to any distortions in the static field. So the "change in shape" of the magnetoshere caused by the sudden increase in pressure of the Solar-wind / CME shock front will cause a transient change. It is not until the electrons and ions have "passed by" Earth and some have been collected in the "tail" that these are "sucked back" and enter the ring current. Things move very quickly, but the "transient" changes can be misleading. I always regard the most reliable values as those when the Kp has recovered to low values. The transient positive swings DO indicate an event....I expect that in the next 3 hour period you will probably see NOAA plot a Kp=4 or even 5 and then the Dst will plunge down to the -60s again. It will be interesting to see how quickly this affects Steve's plot of DCF39. His path is quite close to the auroral circle, so there may be some depression in the later part of the night. If NOAAs appreciation of the size of the coronal hole is right this should not be a very serious event, in their terms a minor storm (Kp<6). But I guess it will "top-up" the ring current again and slow the return to really quiet conditions.......which may lead to worse propagation (!!) or at least "not the best levels" Fascinating stuff this ionoshere !! Cheers dde Alan G3NYK ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jay Rusgrove" To: Sent: 15 March 2005 18:22 Subject: LF: DST Just happened to notice...Kyoto "real time" DST showing +14 at the moment...will be interesting to see where it "settles in". Jay, W1VD