Return-Path: Received: (qmail 28556 invoked from network); 24 Feb 2005 06:54:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore03.plus.net with SMTP; 24 Feb 2005 06:54:52 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1D4Cuc-000K8a-1c for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 24 Feb 2005 06:55:50 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.3] (helo=ptb-mxcore03.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1D4Cub-000K8V-Nr for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 24 Feb 2005 06:55:49 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore03.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1D4Cv7-0004WM-00 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 24 Feb 2005 06:56:21 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1D4CqV-00008D-Lt for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 24 Feb 2005 06:51:35 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1D4CqT-000072-Hg for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 24 Feb 2005 06:51:33 +0000 Received: from relay.sotline.ru ([80.89.139.226]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1D4CqP-0000Mw-RC for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 24 Feb 2005 06:51:33 +0000 Received: from astral.omskcity.com (mxs.sotline.ru [80.89.139.227]) by relay.sotline.ru (8.x.x) with ESMTP id j1O6pM5r033907 for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2005 12:51:22 +0600 (OMST) (envelope-from fitec@omskcity.com) Received: from noname.nodomain.nowhere (host241.m04.dial.sotline.ru [81.176.51.241]) by astral.omskcity.com (8.x.x) with ESMTP id j1O6pGru014601 for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2005 12:51:20 +0600 (OS) Received: from localhost (fitec@localhost) by noname.nodomain.nowhere (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA00212 for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2005 12:53:18 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: noname.nodomain.nowhere: fitec owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 12:53:18 +0000 (GMT) From: "Alexander S. Yurkov" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: <421D20BA.7090108@usa.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: domain of omskcity.com designates 80.89.139.226 as permitted sender X-Spam-Score: 1.3 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,DATE_IN_FUTURE_06_12=1.202,FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.05 Subject: Re: LF: Re: Off Topic Ft101zd Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.9 required=5.0 tests=DATE_IN_FUTURE_06_12 autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Dear Alberto, On Thu, 24 Feb 2005, Alberto di Bene wrote: > I am not quite sure I do agree with you. While it is true that > narrowing the bandwidth the energy > of the noise inside that bandwidth do decrease while the signal doesn't > (provided it is entirely confined > into that bandwidth), the problem is another, namely dynamic range. You > need a great dynamic range > to dig out a faint CW (or SSB) signal near a much stronger one, when > both are inside the preselector > filter bandpass. Essetial point is that due to digital filtering you can recieve the signal much weaker then one lowest sign meaning. Let's consider 10-bit ADC (plus 1 sign bit) for simplicity. There is only abt 1000 (1024 exectly) 'quantization steps'. Let code 3ff (1024) corresponds 1V (we remember about 'broadcasting stn') then 'quantization step' is 1mV. Does it mean signal of say 10uV can't be resieved? Answer is no, such a signal can be recieved! If sampling rate is 100MHz and bandwith of signal is say 100Hz this 10uV signal will be very nice recieved after digital filtering. Certanly if this 10uV signal is the only signal in ADC input then ADC gives zero code only. Nothing more. But we can add a noise with spectrum out of signal spectrum (so called 'dithering'). Then signals can be digitized by the ADC. Added noise can be canceled by digital filtering then. 73 de RA9MB/Alex http://www.qsl.net/ra9mb