Return-Path: Received: (qmail 45314 invoked from network); 17 Feb 2005 12:05:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 17 Feb 2005 12:05:50 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1D1kQ7-0008Ly-0Q for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 17 Feb 2005 12:06:13 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.2] (helo=ptb-mxcore02.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1D1kQ4-0008LB-Hr for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 17 Feb 2005 12:06:08 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1D1kPd-0007oY-Ok for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 17 Feb 2005 12:05:41 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1D1kOf-0001mJ-Cp for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 17 Feb 2005 12:04:41 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1D1kOe-0001m1-Oz for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 17 Feb 2005 12:04:40 +0000 Received: from smtp813.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.12.12.203]) by relay.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.43) id 1D1kOc-00051W-7T for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 17 Feb 2005 12:04:40 +0000 Received: from unknown (HELO Dell5150) (rsgb?lf?group@blacksheep.org@217.43.201.30 with poptime) by smtp813.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Feb 2005 12:04:32 -0000 From: "Dave Pick" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 12:04:34 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: <421490B1.1080704@tele2.se> Thread-Index: AcUU5Z+9Mq+OrQfKQVqmvIO81rEPIwAAspgQ X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 217.12.12.203 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of picks.force9.co.uk X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,none Message-Id: Subject: RE: LF: RE: Matching Ropex Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) The puzzle is why the Ropex has problems with a 50 ohm match at 136kHz if the coil is grounded? The match is the same on an SWR bridge whether the pi cct is in circuit or not. The Ropex protection cct seems to be some kind of overcurrent detector in the 50ohm output but I can't remember which side of the internal LPF it is placed. Dave G3YXM -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Johan Bodin Sent: 17 February 2005 12:40 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: RE: Matching Ropex Dave Pick wrote: > I put a pi network (LPF) in between and it worked. Yes, that's the "impedance inversion" Markus DF6NM wrote about on the topic of "Wilkinson Combiner" recently. A Pi filter with all X = Zo behaves like a lumped circuit version of a quarter wave transmission line. For 50 ohms and 136.75 kHz that is: C1 = 23.3 nF across, L = 58.2 uH along, C2 = 23.3 nF across Open load => L and C2 in series resonance => input looks shorted Load = 50 ohms => input = 50 ohms Shorted load => L and C1 in parallel resonance => input looks open 73 Johan SM6LKM -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.8.8 - Release Date: 2005-02-14