Return-Path: Received: (qmail 48056 invoked from network); 16 Jan 2005 21:30:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 16 Jan 2005 21:30:42 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CqHxG-0009sa-Qh for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 21:29:09 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore01.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CqHxG-0009sS-8C for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 21:29:02 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.30; FreeBSD) id 1CqHyk-00011T-Ju for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 21:30:34 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CqHwH-0005y6-IJ for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 21:28:01 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CqHwF-0005xx-2T for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 21:27:59 +0000 Received: from smtp808.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.12.12.198]) by relay.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.43) id 1CqHwA-00057o-KI for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 21:27:59 +0000 Received: from unknown (HELO w4o8m9) (james.moritz@btopenworld.com@81.131.109.83 with login) by smtp808.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jan 2005 21:27:34 -0000 Message-ID: <003501c4fc11$e6b3c080$7c3f8351@w4o8m9> From: "James Moritz" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <41EA3B2E.152.BF48D9@localhost> <000401c4fb13$98ef8180$f8ce28c3@erica> Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2005 21:23:48 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 217.12.12.198 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of btopenworld.com X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,none Subject: LF: Re: SWR-off topic Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Dear Peter, LF Group, I think the mathematical theory of transmission lines evolved with the appearance of long-distance telegraph lines, but measuring standing waves could only have become practical with the appearance of HF radio. In some pre-war papers I have seen descriptions of little trolleys carrying thermocouple ammeters that could be pulled along an open-wire line (there is a rather vague description in Terman's "Radio Engineering"), and I guess this is what led to Mr Smith producing his chart around the 1930s. This really came into its own with the development of VHF, UHF and microwaves, when bridge impedance measuring techniques became impractical and it became possible to fit a long enough piece of transmission line on a bench top - hence the slotted line, in coaxial and waveguide forms. With the slotted line, you can measure complex impedances quite accurately by measuring SWR and the position of the maxima or minima, using effectively just a piece of transmission line with a moving probe and a diode voltmeter. Of course, the Smith chart was the ideal device for doing the calculations in pre-computer days, so I suppose that is the importance of the SWR scale on the chart. I used a coaxial slotted line in one job I had (1980s), mainly just to measure SWR though (at about 1GHz). There was also network analysers available, but that was regarded as overkill with an expensive bit of kit just to measure SWR. At the university where I work, I sometimes supervise students doing an experiment with an ancient Rohde and Schwarz slotted line, the main point of which is to show that standing waves exist, although the Smith chart usually stumps them completely! Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU ----- Original Message ----- From: g3ldo To: Sent: Saturday, January 15, 2005 3:04 PM Subject: LF: SWR-off topic > I am currently updating some of the antenna material in the RSGB Radio > Communications Handbook. > I have a question about SWR meters...