Return-Path: Received: (qmail 92699 invoked from network); 5 Jan 2005 10:48:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 5 Jan 2005 10:48:09 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Cm8gj-000FMl-Qt for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 05 Jan 2005 10:46:52 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.3] (helo=ptb-mxcore03.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Cm8gj-000FMi-NR for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 05 Jan 2005 10:46:49 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore03.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1Cm8hy-000EC8-AB for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 05 Jan 2005 10:48:06 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Cm8hI-0003Dg-RX for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 05 Jan 2005 10:47:24 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Cm8hI-0003DX-Fx for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 05 Jan 2005 10:47:24 +0000 Received: from smarthost0.mail.uk.easynet.net ([212.135.6.10]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1Cm8hB-0008UO-C3 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 05 Jan 2005 10:47:24 +0000 Received: from tnt-13-235.easynet.co.uk ([212.134.22.235] helo=erica) by smarthost0.mail.uk.easynet.net with smtp (Exim 4.10) id 1Cm8h0-000J2V-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 05 Jan 2005 10:47:07 +0000 Message-ID: <001b01c4f0bd$9a6f7f20$eb1686d4@erica> From: "g3ldo" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <82.1ecc794c.2f0d0993@aol.com> Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2005 11:23:27 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 212.135.6.10 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of ukonline.co.uk X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,DATE_IN_PAST_48_96=0.257 Subject: LF: Re: Pre-amps on LF Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Dave G0MRF said: > There have been a number of postings about the poor response of amateur > radio receivers on 136kHz. > > The main reason for this lack of performance is usually the internal > attenuator that is switched in below 1.8MHz. On ICOM radios, the broadband > transformers also run out of performance below 500kHz. This general problem seems to > be more severe with radios that have already had their performances streatched > to cover the 6m band. e.g. The FT1000 and TS850 work well ( 28MHz max) but > the IC756 746 and the FT817 are about 20dB 'deaf'. > > Adding a yxm/mrf pre-amp will overcome the loss of the input attenuator (apx > 10dB) and will have a few extra dB to help things along. However, I have had > a couple of mails from people who expected the pre-amps to work when they > were added to simple small verticals or wires. > > The pre-amps are 50 Ohms (ish) in and out while the impedance of a typical > 7MHz vertical is a very small fraction of 1 Ohm. The loss between them is > huge. You need a matching network. > I built a pre-amp/LFtuner to add to the front end of a IC-706, which I used when on vacation in Marrakech, October 2003. The unit used two G0MRF preamps in series and must have worked reasonable well because it was used in a crossband 136kHz/7MHz QSO with G3AQC. The antenna was a 20m long doublet, fed with 6m of 400ohm ladder line, resonated using the tuner against the AC supply ground. The pre-amp/LF tuner was described in RadCom, Antennas column, December 2003. I have a PDF file of the article for anyone who would like a copy. Peter, G3LDO