Return-Path: Received: (qmail 29847 invoked from network); 20 Jan 2005 13:29:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 20 Jan 2005 13:29:54 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CrcJj-0007as-To for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 13:25:46 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore01.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CrcJj-0007ao-En for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 13:25:43 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1CrcNt-0000ly-Al for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 13:30:01 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CrcMt-0000EU-TY for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 13:28:59 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CrcMt-0000EL-Hm for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 13:28:59 +0000 Received: from hestia.herts.ac.uk ([147.197.200.9]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1CrcMq-0002bX-4e for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 13:28:59 +0000 Received: from altair ([147.197.200.45] helo=altair.herts.ac.uk) by hestia.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 1CrcL3-0004dE-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 13:27:05 +0000 Received: from [147.197.164.230] (helo=RD40002) by altair.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1CrcL3-0005e0-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 13:27:05 +0000 From: "james moritz" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 13:27:05 -0000 Message-ID: <000001c4fef3$bba4e330$e6a4c593@RD40002> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <000901c4feac$b818ce80$6401a8c0@eagles> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-UH-MailScanner: No Virus detected X-UH-MailScanner-From: j.r.moritz@herts.ac.uk X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 147.197.200.9 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of herts.ac.uk X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,none Subject: LF: RE: Coil Winding, de VY1JA Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Dear J, LF Group, I would certainly go for the simple solenoid initially - it is much easier to make, and also to alter the inductance via tapping points, which is usually necessary when setting the system up. Also, "highest Q" is not necessarily "best" for a transmitting antenna loading coil. You must also consider the effects of heating, and insulation breakdown, which will often be worse with a multi-layer winding compared to a solenoid, due to packing more turns together. Q is not a strong function of the physical dimensions, so you usually need a drastic increase in size to make a big improvement to the Q. The overall system improvement possible by going from a reasonably good loading coil to a really high-Q loading coil is usually less than 1dB, which is small compared to what can often be achieved by modifying the antenna slightly. My suggestion would be to wind a solenoid using the largest diameter former and thickest wire you have available, with plenty of tapping points and not worrying too much about the geometry of the coil. Once the system is working, you will be able to evaluate the losses in the coil and antenna, and decide if it is worthwhile making a better loading coil. Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU