Return-Path: Received: (qmail 47249 invoked from network); 13 Dec 2004 14:23:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 13 Dec 2004 14:23:49 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CdrRy-000C9k-Hg for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 13 Dec 2004 14:45:23 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.2] (helo=ptb-mxcore02.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CdrRx-000C9N-Kx for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 13 Dec 2004 14:45:21 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1Cdr75-000Je8-9R for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 13 Dec 2004 14:23:47 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Cdr6p-0000Iz-0W for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 13 Dec 2004 14:23:31 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Cdr6o-0000Iq-Ld for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 13 Dec 2004 14:23:30 +0000 Received: from rzlsrv1.fh-amberg-weiden.de ([195.37.42.5]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1Cdr6i-0000gB-0q for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 13 Dec 2004 14:23:30 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by rzlsrv1.fh-amberg-weiden.de (Postfix on SuSE Linux 8.0 (i386)) with ESMTP id 9F971212FF6 for ; Mon, 13 Dec 2004 15:19:16 +0100 (CET) Received: from rzlsrv1.fh-amberg-weiden.de ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (rzlsrv1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 03833-07 for ; Mon, 13 Dec 2004 15:19:15 +0100 (CET) Received: from fh-amberg-weiden.de (kp.fh-amberg-weiden.de [10.10.130.30]) by rzlsrv1.fh-amberg-weiden.de (Postfix on SuSE Linux 8.0 (i386)) with ESMTP id 6EA7D212FE2 for ; Mon, 13 Dec 2004 15:19:14 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <41BDA4E0.4060502@fh-amberg-weiden.de> Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 15:19:12 +0100 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Thomas_K=F6lpin?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; WinNT4.0; de-DE; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030619 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: de-de, de MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <5.1.0.14.0.20041213123854.0232b590@u0019445.kuleuven.be> In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20041213123854.0232b590@u0019445.kuleuven.be> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at fh-amberg-weiden.de X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 195.37.42.5 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of fh-amberg-weiden.de X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no, Subject: Re: LF: Hoar-Frost and Antenna Losses Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Hello Rik and group, thanks for the link - most interesting, but let´s hope they will never come into practice with this idea (I´m rather sure they would not ;-) ). In their references I found "Physics of Ice" from Withworth/Petrenko; I´ll try to get it via our library to learn something about dielectric losses of ice and hoar-frost. Tu es 73, Tom, DK1IS Rik Strobbe schrieb: > Tom > > have a look at this : > http://thayer.dartmouth.edu/other/inductor/papers/hfdeice.pdf > > It's a paper named "Using Dielectric Losses to De-Ice Power > Transmission Lines with 100 kHz High-Voltage Excitation" > > 73, Rik