Return-Path: Received: (qmail 90134 invoked from network); 3 Dec 2004 22:48:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 3 Dec 2004 22:48:12 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CaMFX-000Cr5-D5 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 03 Dec 2004 22:50:05 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore01.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CaMFX-000Cr2-90 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 03 Dec 2004 22:50:03 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.30; FreeBSD) id 1CaMDi-000O5q-8h for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 03 Dec 2004 22:48:10 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CaMCO-0007Ho-Cr for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 03 Dec 2004 22:46:48 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CaMCO-0007Hf-0S for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 03 Dec 2004 22:46:48 +0000 Received: from mout1.freenet.de ([194.97.50.132]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1CaMCJ-0002Wn-SB for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 03 Dec 2004 22:46:47 +0000 Received: from [194.97.50.144] (helo=mx1.freenet.de) by mout1.freenet.de with esmtpa (Exim 4.43) id 1CaMC1-0005Qa-G2 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 03 Dec 2004 23:46:25 +0100 Received: from p5090472b.dip.t-dialin.net ([80.144.71.43] helo=[192.168.0.200]) by mx1.freenet.de with esmtpsa (ID dl4yhf@freenet.de) (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.43 #13) id 1CaMC1-0000Dj-7n for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 03 Dec 2004 23:46:25 +0100 Message-ID: <41B0ECBF.1090900@freenet.de> Date: Fri, 03 Dec 2004 23:46:23 +0100 From: Wolf DL4YHF User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) X-Accept-Language: de-DE, de, en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RSGB LF Group X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 194.97.50.132 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of freenet.de X-Spam-Score: 0.2 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,RCVD_IN_NJABL=0.1,RCVD_IN_SORBS=0.1 Subject: Re: LF: Variable-PSK theory (warning - goes on a bit!) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Hello Jim and the group, After carefully reading Jim's article, and collecting some more material about MSK, GMSK, etc, I came to the conclusion that there is a bit more behind (G)MSK than just BPSK with additional quadrature component (90°) to fill the gap. Jim wrote: > I beleive Wolf has used a type of PSK where the phase of the carrier is varied linearly from 0 to pi radians, > or pi to 0 radians, for a 0 to 1 or 1 to 0 bit transition. Yes that's true, but the transition did not use 100% of the symbol time (but 10..20%) to stay compatible with the "PSK31" standard decoders. So this was not (yet) comparable to MSK. I have modified G3PLX's QPSK-mode into Offset-QPSK by delaying the Q-component in the modulator by a half symbol time, and in the I-component of the demodulator to compensate this. By doing so, there are no more 180°-phase transitions in the signal any longer (only +/- 90°), so the amplitude only drops by 3dB. Still not perfectly suited for class C amplifiers, but the requirements for a "linear" TX are not as tough as for AM-shaped QPSK or BPSK. No tests done with any of the "Novel" (G)MSK decoders yet, but at least I am beginning to understand what the tricky parts are. After all this high-tech stuff, I will be active on 136kHz using the good old morse code 136kHz on saturday and sunday, but will look out for other signals as well ;-) Regards, Wolf DL4YHF.