Return-Path: Received: (qmail 49704 invoked from network); 27 Dec 2004 23:07:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 27 Dec 2004 23:07:00 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Cj4Jx-000Cbi-PJ for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 27 Dec 2004 23:30:40 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.2] (helo=ptb-mxcore02.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Cj4Jx-000Cbf-Lg for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 27 Dec 2004 23:30:37 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1Cj3x3-000Ih2-QE for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 27 Dec 2004 23:06:57 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Cj3wQ-00015R-Q2 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 27 Dec 2004 23:06:18 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Cj3wQ-00015I-9r for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 27 Dec 2004 23:06:18 +0000 Received: from fmmailgate05.web.de ([217.72.192.243]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1Cj3wO-0001Gr-C3 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 27 Dec 2004 23:06:18 +0000 Received: by fmmailgate05.web.de (8.12.10/8.12.10/webde Linux 0.7) with SMTP id iBRN5GCM027172 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 28 Dec 2004 00:06:08 +0100 Received: from [217.248.187.39] by freemailng1802.web.de with HTTP; Tue, 28 Dec 2004 00:06:01 +0100 Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2004 00:06:01 +0100 Message-Id: <259320497@web.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Hans-Albrecht Haffa" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Organization: http://freemail.web.de/ X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 217.72.192.243 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of web.de X-Spam-Score: 2.0 (++) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,DRASTIC_REDUCED=1.998 Subject: Re: LF: Re: RE: M0BMU mods for G0MRF 300 W Tx is this a gap? from DK 8 ND Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.0 required=5.0 tests=DRASTIC_REDUCED autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Dear Mal, yes, it is better to have a gap, but it may be very small, so just an gap of a layer of insulating tape or a layer of varnish. Just to keep low the remanent flux of the core. Do not use carbonyle iron cores (powder cores) or gapped ferrites with a gap of about 1 % of magnetic path length. Use a deflection transformer, the magnetic material is best for 136 k. Its better than a 62 mm toroid without any gap. 55, Hans- Albrecht DK 8 ND rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org schrieb am 27.12.04 16:00:07: > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Hans-Albrecht Haffa" > To: > Sent: Sunday, December 26, 2004 8:34 PM > Subject: LF: RE: M0BMU mods for G0MRF 300 W Tx is this a gap? > > > > Hello Lowfers, > > yes it is a gap. A residuous gap of two core halves with lapped surfaces > is still a gap. It will reduce relative permeability and remanent flux. It > is better to use core halves with a bit greater gapmade of a layer of > insulating tape (0,05 mm thickness ) on both sides of a core half. > Lowering remanent flux from 180 mt (ungapped ring core) to about 30 mT > gapped will rise magnetic swing in mMilli-Tesla. Thats what counts. If You > take out the spacers of a deflection transformer, You get agood core for a > forward converter SMPS or a 136 kHz PA. > > Hi Hans > If I understand you correctly, it is better to have a gap for a 136 khz PA. > de Mal/G3KEV > > > > > 55, Hans-Albrecht > > DK 8 ND > > > > > > rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org schrieb am 24.12.04 10:55:28: > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "james moritz" > > > To: > > > Sent: Thursday, December 23, 2004 11:31 AM > > > Subject: LF: RE: M0BMU mods for G0MRF 300 W Tx > > > > > > > > > Dear Gary, LF Group, > > > > > > You need one without an air gap - the air gap will drastically reduce > the > > > winding inductance, unfortunately. > > > > > > Hi All > > > I have used these cores and noticed no difference between them and a > > > continuous type core. I put the two core halves together tightly and > used > > > the same number of turns as used on the continuous core, maybe I was > lucky. > > > What does Jim call a gap? If they are tight together is that considered > a > > > gap? Must the core be totally continuous? > > > de Mal/G3KEV > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________ > > Verschicken Sie romantische, coole und witzige Bilder per SMS! > > Jetzt neu bei WEB.DE FreeMail: http://freemail.web.de/?mc=021193 > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________ Verschicken Sie romantische, coole und witzige Bilder per SMS! Jetzt neu bei WEB.DE FreeMail: http://freemail.web.de/?mc=021193