Return-Path: Received: (qmail 77497 invoked from network); 13 Dec 2004 11:36:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 13 Dec 2004 11:36:50 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CdoqL-000EsM-54 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 13 Dec 2004 11:58:23 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.2] (helo=ptb-mxcore02.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CdoqK-000Es8-S7 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 13 Dec 2004 11:58:20 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1CdoVT-000GTu-Dc for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 13 Dec 2004 11:36:47 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CdoV4-00086s-Go for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 13 Dec 2004 11:36:22 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CdoV4-00086j-5Q for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 13 Dec 2004 11:36:22 +0000 Received: from one.surfree.co.uk ([195.80.0.234]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1CdoV0-0008S5-Op for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 13 Dec 2004 11:36:22 +0000 Received: from standalone ([212.248.140.14]) by one.surfree.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA07226 for ; Mon, 13 Dec 2004 12:31:45 GMT Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Mon, 13 Dec 2004 11:33:17 -0000 Message-ID: <01C4E107.8A5EB620.actalbot@southsurf.com> From: Andy To: "'rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org'" Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 11:33:15 -0000 Importance: high X-Priority: 1 (Highest) Organization: UKNWN(UK) X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 195.80.0.234 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of southsurf.com X-Spam-Score: 3.5 (+++) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,RCVD_IN_SORBS=0.1,RCVD_IN_SORBS_WEB=2.8,TW_QE=0.077,X_PRIORITY_HIGH=0.516 Subject: LF: RE: RE: Re: Frequency errors on PSK31 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=X_PRIORITY_HIGH autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) I don't know - and guess it is very dependent on the quality of the demodulation software. For example, what is the loop bandwidth of the bit recovery clock? Some PSK31 demodulators seem to do a better job than others when fed with identical signals. Andy On Monday, December 13, 2004 11:14 AM, james moritz [SMTP:j.r.moritz@herts.ac.uk] wrote: > Dear Andy, Wolf, LF Group, > > > > But what effect does an error in the bit clock have, i.e. if the period of > each bit is not exactly 32ms? > > > > Cheers, Jim Moritz > > 73 de M0BMU > > > > .As PSK31 uses differential coding, it is the phase change over the 32ms > signalling period due to freqeuncy error that is important. If for BPSK, we > need to maintain the phase to less than 90 degrees to remove the ambiguity, > so 90/360 / 32ms = 7.8Hz freq error permissible. > > > > For noisy signals, the determination of correct phase becomes worse, so > error rate will progressively worsen with tuning error. > > > > Andy G4JNT > > > > > > << File: ATT00000.htm >>