Return-Path: Received: (qmail 32478 invoked from network); 28 Dec 2004 13:35:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 28 Dec 2004 13:35:54 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CjGHw-0005wG-Fr for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 28 Dec 2004 12:17:21 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore01.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CjGHw-0005wD-DH for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 28 Dec 2004 12:17:20 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.30; FreeBSD) id 1CjFux-000Lc5-T0 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 28 Dec 2004 11:53:35 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CjFuh-0003NA-MQ for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 28 Dec 2004 11:53:19 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CjFuh-0003N1-9t for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 28 Dec 2004 11:53:19 +0000 Received: from mailhost.ntl.com ([212.250.162.8] helo=mta13-winn.mailhost.ntl.com) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1CjFuf-0002yf-U2 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 28 Dec 2004 11:53:19 +0000 Received: from aamta03-winn.mailhost.ntl.com ([212.250.162.8]) by mta13-winn.mailhost.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20041228115312.LKYM10495.mta13-winn.mailhost.ntl.com@aamta03-winn.mailhost.ntl.com> for ; Tue, 28 Dec 2004 11:53:12 +0000 Received: from captbrian ([80.1.84.125]) by aamta03-winn.mailhost.ntl.com with SMTP id <20041228115311.KLYN9818.aamta03-winn.mailhost.ntl.com@captbrian> for ; Tue, 28 Dec 2004 11:53:11 +0000 Message-ID: <002401c4ecd4$1540b2c0$7d540150@captbrian> From: "captbrian" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <41D13BA4.31764.B26AA9@localhost> Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2004 11:55:09 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 212.250.162.8 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of ukonline.co.uk X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no, Subject: Re: LF: Trans Atlantic Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Without time travel the nature of a transmission is unchanged by its later detection. Exactly how does a transmission on a permitted frequency in one country become offensive if its later reception is acknowledged in another country by a transmission on a different frequency which is authorised there ? Radio Amateurs are neither fifth formers nor should feel need to be apologetic. I do not for a moment advocate acting irresponsibly ,but that should not degenerate into Kow-Towing..we elected "them" and not them us.! Bryan ----- Original Message ----- From: Mike Dennison To: Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2004 10:55 AM Subject: Re: LF: Trans Atlantic > > Our behaviour now may have reprecussions in those "corridor > > negotiations at Geneva." Considering the fragile state of global > > politics and the sensibilities of some nations, any unilateral > > behavoiur on the part of a couple of us may turn the favour away from > > our common intent of a world wide 2200m amatuer band. > > Remember the primary purpose in THEIR eyes, for our experiments, is > > that we must prove that we won't create problems either > > electromagneticly OR politically. > > Scott, VE7TIL > > I was involved with negotiations between the RSGB and the > UK licensing authority for many years, both as a volunteer > and a member of staff, and agree entirely with Scott's > comments. > > My experience is that authorities are happy to encourage > experimentation, provided there is no impact on other > services. What they do not like is amateurs taking > advantage and bending the rules, or seeking loopholes in > the rules. The reference to "corridor negotiations" is > accurate at national and international level, and relies on > trust between the parties. This trust is damaged by > unilateral action and 'boat rocking' by individuals. Patience > is the keyword - responsible use of a small concession is > often followed by a larger concession. Most facilities we > take for granted now (including most of our bands) were > illegal once. > > Mike, G3XDV > ========== > http://lf.apersonalguide.co.uk > > > >