Return-Path: Received: (qmail 57997 invoked from network); 30 Dec 2004 09:35:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 30 Dec 2004 09:35:15 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Cjx5P-0008HQ-7N for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 30 Dec 2004 09:59:16 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.2] (helo=ptb-mxcore02.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Cjx5N-0008Gu-TC for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 30 Dec 2004 09:59:14 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1Cjwi8-0009gL-OE for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 30 Dec 2004 09:35:12 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Cjwhk-0001CL-1H for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 30 Dec 2004 09:34:48 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Cjwhj-0001CC-KQ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 30 Dec 2004 09:34:47 +0000 Received: from mail-public.northwestel.net ([198.235.201.66] helo=yk-pvtmailprd-01.internal.messaging) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1Cjwhi-0001gX-7t for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 30 Dec 2004 09:34:47 +0000 Received: from yk-asavprd-01.northwestel.net ([172.19.112.40]) by yk-pvtmailprd-01.internal.messaging (Sun ONE Messaging Server 6.0 Patch 1 (built Jan 28 2004)) with ESMTP id <0I9J00A363XWCW42@yk-pvtmailprd-01.internal.messaging> for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 30 Dec 2004 02:34:44 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by yk-asavprd-01.northwestel.net (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id iBU9YiWF022244 for ; Thu, 30 Dec 2004 02:34:44 -0700 Received: from yk-asavprd-01.northwestel.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (yk-asavprd-01 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 20642-17 for ; Thu, 30 Dec 2004 02:34:41 -0700 (MST) Received: from eagles (whthyt032-92.northwestel.net [205.234.32.92]) by yk-asavprd-01.northwestel.net (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id iBU9XVrG022042 for ; Thu, 30 Dec 2004 02:33:32 -0700 Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2004 09:33:27 +0000 From: "J. Allen" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Message-id: <002001c4ee52$9e477a70$6501a8c0@eagles> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at northwestel.net References: <1d8.3390f377.2f04f91b@aol.com> X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 198.235.201.66 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of northwestel.net X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no, Subject: LF: Power Line Carrier gear de VY1JA Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) John, I would be quite surprised if Power Line Carrier equipment were disrupted by amateur equipment. The power lines are rotated physically to balance fields for a number of reasons. It just happens to help prevent line transmission of PLC signals and pickup of our LF signals. Installation, and maintenance of PLCs came under my supervision until I retired from Yukon Energy Corp three years ago. If a small utility like YEC installs and maintains things with this care, I suspect that the fears of power company problems in the populated world south of us are totally unfounded.... I will find out some of this, because several of the men in my previous crew are still with the power company and are all licensed amateurs. My experiments will be done in such a way that they can monitor my early transmissions and signal levels (or as I suspect, absence of them) on the PLC subsystem. It is my belief and expectation that this kind of monitoring and testing can demonstrate that amateur LF work can cohabit the same neighborhoods as PLC SCADA control systems. The 138,000 Volt line which carries the PLC signals is approximately 100 meters from the tower which will be the 137 kHz antenna. The way the PLC works is that the power transmission line also is used as an RF transmission line. The PLC transmitter runs approximately 75 -150 Watts directly into the line and the line carries that to a matched load of a transmitter/receiver pair on the opposite end of the line. With the high signal levels that are forced into the line and received on the opposite end, I cannot see how the small amount of signal that is picked up by the antenna effects of the power line can compare or how it can cause any trouble. Has anyone in the UK heard of any LF transmitter causing problems with PLCs?. If so, I would appreciate knowing the details. J. VY1JA CP20kw