Return-Path: Received: (qmail 41466 invoked from network); 5 Dec 2004 14:47:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 5 Dec 2004 14:47:20 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CaxhW-000Gu9-SW for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 05 Dec 2004 14:49:29 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore01.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CaxhW-000Gu5-Le for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 05 Dec 2004 14:49:26 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.30; FreeBSD) id 1CaxfR-000I5b-7E for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 05 Dec 2004 14:47:17 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CaxeJ-0002Le-M9 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 05 Dec 2004 14:46:07 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CaxeJ-0002LV-9j for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 05 Dec 2004 14:46:07 +0000 Received: from hestia.herts.ac.uk ([147.197.200.9]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1CaxeE-0000DY-TY for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 05 Dec 2004 14:46:07 +0000 Received: from altair ([147.197.200.45] helo=altair.herts.ac.uk) by hestia.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 1Caxe6-00067x-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 05 Dec 2004 14:45:54 +0000 Received: from [147.197.164.230] (helo=RD40002) by altair.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1Caxe5-0005Fj-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 05 Dec 2004 14:45:53 +0000 From: "james moritz" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2004 14:45:49 -0000 Message-ID: <000001c4dad9$1e7acfe0$e6a4c593@RD40002> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <41B0ECBF.1090900@freenet.de> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-UH-MailScanner: No Virus detected X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 147.197.200.9 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of herts.ac.uk X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no, Subject: RE: LF: Variable-PSK theory (warning - goes on a bit!) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Dear Wolf, LF Group, -----Original Message----- ...Jim wrote: >> I beleive Wolf has used a type of PSK where the phase of the carrier >is varied linearly from 0 to pi radians, >> or pi to 0 radians, for a 0 to 1 or 1 to 0 bit transition. >Yes that's true, but the transition did not use 100% of the symbol time >(but 10..20%) to stay compatible with the "PSK31" standard decoders. So >this was not (yet) comparable to MSK. OK, I did not realise that - I guess the effect would be to reduce the amount of power in the quadrature component significantly, but also to increase the amplitudes of the high-order sidebands significantly. But I am pretty sure the tests I did a couple of years ago did use a phase transition period of 100% of the bit period - this seemed to work quite happily with the "coherent" BPSK decoder. I don't see any obvious reason why the extra quadrature component in the variable-PSK signal should prevent the standard PSK31 demodulator from working with "transition period = bit period", but then I don't know a lot about how the demodulator actually does work, so I could well be wrong! >I have modified G3PLX's QPSK-mode into Offset-QPSK by delaying the >Q-component in the modulator by a half symbol time, and in the >I-component of the demodulator to compensate this. By doing so, there >are no more 180°-phase transitions in the signal any longer (only +/- >90°), so the amplitude only drops by 3dB. Still not perfectly suited for >class C amplifiers, but the requirements for a "linear" TX are not as >tough as for AM-shaped QPSK or BPSK. No tests done with any of the >"Novel" (G)MSK decoders yet, but at least I am beginning to understand >what the tricky parts are. Will be interested to see what you come up with. BTW, thanks for the CW QSO earlier today! Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU