Return-Path: Received: (qmail 8861 invoked from network); 27 Nov 2004 17:06:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 27 Nov 2004 17:06:33 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CY6KR-000JXI-FD for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 27 Nov 2004 17:25:48 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.2] (helo=ptb-mxcore02.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CY6KP-000JWl-4w for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 27 Nov 2004 17:25:45 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1CY61m-0006fK-1C for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 27 Nov 2004 17:06:30 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CY61T-0000Wh-9d for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 27 Nov 2004 17:06:11 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CY61S-0000WY-UG for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 27 Nov 2004 17:06:10 +0000 Received: from imo-d23.mx.aol.com ([205.188.139.137]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1CY61P-0007wU-Dg for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 27 Nov 2004 17:06:10 +0000 Received: from DL4YHF@aol.com by imo-d23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r3.8.) id l.1ac.2c764f80 (15887) for ; Sat, 27 Nov 2004 12:05:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from aol.com (mow-m09.webmail.aol.com [64.12.184.137]) by air-id08.mx.aol.com (v103.7) with ESMTP id MAILINID82-3e0f41a8b3f2360; Sat, 27 Nov 2004 12:05:54 -0500 Date: Sat, 27 Nov 2004 12:05:54 -0500 From: DL4YHF@aol.com To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <38A9B673.73F96AE1.00041B63@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 X-AOL-IP: 217.80.59.201 X-AOL-Language: german X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: domain of aol.com designates 205.188.139.137 as permitted sender X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,NO_REAL_NAME=0.285 Subject: Re: LF: Re: MSK etc and stability Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Greetings all, Alberto >>> Firstly, I like the idea of Andy, of a GSPSK (Gentle Sloping PSK), which should substantially reduce the amplitude variations of the signal, when subject to phase modulation. Any volunteer for a mathematical analysis (or a simulation) of the crest factor as a function of the "gentleness" of the phase transitions ? <<< And, since my maths is a bit rusted, which phase slope would be the "best" (if it's that easy at all) ? At the moment I only used a linear ramp, so the "GPSK"'s phase looks like a trapezoid on a phase plot.. by something tells me a raised cosine would produce less sidebands. (Furthermore, the unwanted sidebands are still much stronger than for a PSK31-signal with its nice amplitude shaping). Anyway, I still didn't give up the idea of MSK or even GMSK. There are some novel implementations of this around which I still have to dig through, like this one (tnx SM6LKM): www.ee.surrey.ac.uk/SSC/CSER/UOSAT/papers/icdsc_ws/icdsc_ws.html (look for the "Coherent MSK Experiment", and for the author's conclusion). I wouldn't say the Hodgart-Massey decoder is simple, but it seems to have some interesting properties (especially the fast acquisition time) which may be beneficial for LF. Regards, Wolf DL4YHF.