Return-Path: Received: (qmail 75974 invoked from network); 26 Nov 2004 14:51:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 26 Nov 2004 14:51:11 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CXhjg-000Px3-AD for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 26 Nov 2004 15:10:15 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.2] (helo=ptb-mxcore02.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CXhje-000Pvp-1a for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 26 Nov 2004 15:10:10 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1CXhRA-0005bs-Ej for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 26 Nov 2004 14:51:04 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CXhQj-0006i8-3w for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 26 Nov 2004 14:50:37 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CXhQi-0006hz-ND for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 26 Nov 2004 14:50:36 +0000 Received: from hestia.herts.ac.uk ([147.197.200.9]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1CXhQh-0004Qk-0B for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 26 Nov 2004 14:50:36 +0000 Received: from altair ([147.197.200.45] helo=altair.herts.ac.uk) by hestia.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 1CXhQQ-00079c-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 26 Nov 2004 14:50:18 +0000 Received: from [147.197.164.230] (helo=RD40002) by altair.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1CXhQM-0000AB-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 26 Nov 2004 14:50:14 +0000 From: "james moritz" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2004 14:50:14 -0000 Message-ID: <000001c4d3c7$3cc96240$e6a4c593@RD40002> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <01C4D3B0.56A0CC60.actalbot@southsurf.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-UH-MailScanner: No Virus detected X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 147.197.200.9 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of herts.ac.uk X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no, Subject: RE: LF: Linear amplifiers and MSK Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Dear Andy, LF Group, I did try some experiments to do this in 2001 - the variable-phase modulator circuit is still available from G3YXM's web pages: http://www.wireless.org.uk/moritz.htm It isn't particularly elegant, but it does do the job - I expect a soundcard DSP implementation wouldn't be all that hard. I can't remember if I tried it on the air or not - but certainly I did try some local experiments using a low level signal summed with off-air LF noise, using the VE2IQ "coherent" modulator/demodulator software. I seem to remember at the time that there was little difference in "readability" between the ramped-phase BPSK signal, and the standard envelope-shaped BPSK waveform. The spectrum was not quite as clean as the envelope-shaped BPSK, but would have been perfectly adequate. Perhaps it is time to revisit this technique. The availability of DSP has meant modulation systems can be almost arbitrarily complicated with little hardware penalty, but I agree with Andy that other practical considerations play a great part too. One sees some elaborate modulation scheme advanced at length, after which the inventor triumphantly announces it offers an improvement of 0.35dB over cruder techniques, and you start to wonder if it wouldn't just be easier to make the antenna 100mm higher! I think the ability to use a non-linear TX with constant amplitude signal is worth a 3 - 6dB advantage in terms of reduced power dissipation and/or circuit complexity, e.g. a 100W linear PA probably uses the same amount of components, heatsinks and DC power as a class D PA of 300W. Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Andy Sent: 26 November 2004 12:06 To: 'rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org' Subject: RE: LF: Linear amplifiers and MSK Importance: High .... A few years ago I remember making a few experiments using a scheme that has rarely been used - gradual PSK - where instead of ramping from 0 to 180 degrees directly the phase moved progressively over, say 10% of the bit period. Seem to remember trying it wirh the VE2IQ Coherent software, but not sure if this was ever over teh air, or just across a bench. Perhaps it is worth revisiting, with a soundcard implementation of PSK at, say 1 B/s and a gradual ramp. And why not include a GPS locked timing option too.. Andy G4JNT