Return-Path: Received: (qmail 51897 invoked from network); 21 Sep 2004 18:46:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 21 Sep 2004 18:46:22 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1C9piA-00045Z-Lq for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 21 Sep 2004 19:49:59 +0100 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore01.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1C9piA-00045W-JN for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 21 Sep 2004 19:49:58 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.30; FreeBSD) id 1C9pef-000JEP-OK for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 21 Sep 2004 18:46:21 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1C9pdw-0003Kx-P2 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 21 Sep 2004 19:45:36 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1C9pdw-0003Ko-CO for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 21 Sep 2004 19:45:36 +0100 Received: from fmmailgate02.web.de ([217.72.192.227]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1C9pds-0005hL-3d for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 21 Sep 2004 19:45:36 +0100 Received: by fmmailgate02.web.de (8.12.10/8.12.10/webde Linux 0.7) with SMTP id i8LIieGU003339 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 21 Sep 2004 20:45:26 +0200 Received: from 217.248.186.196 by freemailng1801.web.de with HTTP; Tue, 21 Sep 2004 20:45:21 +0200 Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 20:45:21 +0200 Message-Id: <191183732@web.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Hans-Albrecht Haffa" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Organization: http://freemail.web.de/ X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 217.72.192.227 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of web.de X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,RCVD_IN_SORBS=0.1 Subject: LF: Re: LF components ...more Magamps still are in use. DK 8 ND Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Dear wWolf and others, yes, mag- amps are used in SMPS, toroid cores of vitruos metals (Metallische Gläser) manufactured by Vacuumschmelze Hanau ore similar material by Micrometals(US) are used. These are metal wound toroids in protective encapsulation . These controllers are very fast and cause less interference than step down converters. A good controller IC is UC3838 by Unitrode (Texas Instruments). It is just that nobody of the development engineers likes mag amp circuits, due to little knowledge on magnetics. 55, Hans-Albrecht DK 8 ND Literature: Transduktorregler in Schaltnetzteilen. Dipl.-Phys. D. Grätzer und Dipl.-Ing. W. Loges Vacuuumschmelze GmbH, Hanau. Technische Informationsschrift TB-410-1, Mai 1988. "Designing Magnetic Amplifiers using toroidal strip-wound cores made of VITROVAC 6025Z" PV-010 Toroidal strip-wound cores of VITROVAC 6025Z. PV-007, Edition 10/89 rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org schrieb am 18.09.04 10:48:06: > > Hi Alan, > > from the days of repairing TV's I remember the permanent magnets on certain "coils" too. Guess they used this to distort the current waveform in a controlled fashion for the deflection unit. > About the DC-bias winding: Sounds a bit like a "transductor" - ancient magnetic component, sometimes called magnetic amplifier. The basic idea was to control a strong AC current with a weak DC current. But I cannot imagine these are used in SMPSU's. > > About the slots in ferrite rods: Yes, they are used to reduce eddy currents. Especially in those high-permeability types which are more semiconductors than insulators (you can tell with an ohmmeter). I have a large bundle of them in my radio-direction finding antenna for VLF ;-) > > Regards, and have a good LF season, > > Wolf DL4YHF > > _________________________________________________________ Mit WEB.DE FreePhone? mit hochster Qualitat ab 0 Ct./Min. weltweit telefonieren! http://freephone.web.de/?mc=021201