Return-Path: Received: (qmail 17433 invoked from network); 27 Aug 2004 12:40:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 27 Aug 2004 12:40:28 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1C0g7R-000AhQ-LA for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 27 Aug 2004 13:46:14 +0100 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore01.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1C0g7R-000AhN-It for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 27 Aug 2004 13:46:13 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.30; FreeBSD) id 1C0g1r-0008NN-FN for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 27 Aug 2004 12:40:27 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1C0g1G-0001Tq-NA for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 27 Aug 2004 13:39:50 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1C0g1G-0001Th-Aa for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 27 Aug 2004 13:39:50 +0100 Received: from mta01-svc.ntlworld.com ([62.253.162.41]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1C0g18-00008o-O9 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 27 Aug 2004 13:39:50 +0100 Received: from captbrian ([80.1.84.117]) by mta01-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.37 201-229-121-137-20020806) with SMTP id <20040827123857.QCJC7047.mta01-svc.ntlworld.com@captbrian> for ; Fri, 27 Aug 2004 13:38:57 +0100 Message-ID: <009101c48c33$5ae20880$01540150@captbrian> From: "captbrian" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <36.60dff716.2e60536c@aol.com> <008601c48c26$ef59c460$01540150@captbrian> <000f01c48c24$16708280$0500a8c0@charter.net> Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 13:42:45 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 62.253.162.41 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of ukonline.co.uk X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,RCVD_IN_SORBS=0.1 Subject: LF: Re: Re: Re: Re: Gas for balloons Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Next of course.....what is the breaking stress of 22g cu hard drawn..?. Put another way how high a piece can you dangle before it breaks (at the top) under its own weight Bryan ----- Original Message ----- From: John Andrews To: Sent: Friday, August 27, 2004 11:53 AM Subject: LF: Re: Re: Re: Gas for balloons > I am reminded of something that happened to a local AM radio station about > 30 years ago. Their transmitter site was unattended and prone to vandalism. > Somebody managed to cut the guy wires on their 125 meter tower, and it came > down during the night. They had a part-time engineer who was a radio tech at > the local airport. In the wee hours of the morning, he managed to con a > weather balloon ("Gee, I thought they were bigger!) from the weather service > office at the airport. I'm not sure what gas was used for inflation, but I > believe it was helium. > > His problem then was that he didn't have enough wire. So he woke up the > owner of a local electronic parts shop, met him there, and purchased a reel > of 12 gauge enamelled wire. Back at the transmitter site, he quickly found > out that a small weather balloon will not lift 125 meters of 12 ga wire! So > he scrounged around and found some 4-conductor telephone cable, and got the > antenna up in the air. Sort of. Let's just say that there was a strong > horizontal component to the field. I stopped by in the early afternoon to > see if I could offer any help. The wind had picked up, and the balloon kept > hitting the tops of the trees at the edge of the field. I went inside the > transmitter shack, and almost got seasick watching the plate current on the > 1 kw AM rig. The engineer had been quite busy resetting the overload circuit > all day long. > > As I recall, the balloon lost all lift by late afternoon, and he gave up. As > the tower was easily available unpainted Rohn 45, they had something up in > the air within a couple of days. > > So the suggestion of using #22 wire may be right on target. > > John Andrews, W1TAG > > > >