Return-Path: Received: (qmail 72139 invoked from network); 30 Aug 2004 16:54:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 30 Aug 2004 16:54:12 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1C1pQ2-0004ew-Rk for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 30 Aug 2004 17:54:11 +0100 Received: from [192.168.67.2] (helo=ptb-mxcore02.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1C1pQ2-0004ej-CI for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 30 Aug 2004 17:54:10 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1C1pQ3-000HEM-KP for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 30 Aug 2004 16:54:11 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1C1pPQ-00035T-0h for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 30 Aug 2004 17:53:32 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1C1pPP-00035K-KA for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 30 Aug 2004 17:53:31 +0100 Received: from mta02-svc.ntlworld.com ([62.253.162.42]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1C1pPG-00066J-MB for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 30 Aug 2004 17:53:31 +0100 Received: from captbrian ([80.1.84.139]) by mta02-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.37 201-229-121-137-20020806) with SMTP id <20040830165134.BTTH4370.mta02-svc.ntlworld.com@captbrian> for ; Mon, 30 Aug 2004 17:51:34 +0100 Message-ID: <003a01c48eb2$4dc203e0$8b540150@captbrian> From: "captbrian" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <002001c48ea1$d3a4faa0$6507a8c0@Main> Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 17:56:32 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 62.253.162.42 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of ukonline.co.uk X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,RCVD_IN_SORBS=0.1 Subject: LF: Re: Water softeners (was Rugue DVD) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Well I am nothing if not a cynic but I read a reply from someone to a list that said "they're just a nuisance..they actually cause leaks everywhere ..." Which amused me on the assumption that they obviously did work and were dissolving the lime that was plugging up old leaks and holes.! However I noted that the ELF are for bigger houses while the small unit for small houses needs no power (ie just permanent magnets) and that didn't gel with me. My school cert. Chemistry has faded from my mind years ago. They claim to work via an antenna so a source of elf pollution one might fear. Bryan ----- Original Message ----- From: Alan Melia To: LF-Group Sent: Monday, August 30, 2004 3:58 PM Subject: LF: Water softeners (was Rugue DVD) > Hi Brian, I would hope none one on this group would be so gullible. There is > absolutely no scientific evidence for their claims. The crystals are > balanced ...no net charge, and the resonances of the lattice are in the GHz > range not at LF. You cant "change the shape of crystals" it is a function of > the atom sizes and the electronic bonding. I have noticed a marked reduction > in limescale formation here in East Anglia, a very hard water area....but > its due to blending by the water company. No one gets pure bore-water > anymore but has it blended with surface stored water. I also dont > "over-boil" the water in my kettle and rinse it out regularly. > > We once appraoched the technical bods at Anglian Water and they were a bit > bemused by it.....but said "If it really worked that well....dont you think > we would have a B****y big one on every water tower ??" > > Their success is just a measure of the poor scientific and technical > knowledge of the average UK school leaver (despite to so called inprovement > in GCSE standards) The is O-level chemistry, at least that's what it was > called 50 years ago....School Cert in your day Bryan ?? > > One the same score there was a guy doing a bomb selling cheap (10p) magnets > for £5 round here to improve your gas central heating efficiency. He > demonstrated them by putting one beside his gas cigarette-lighter and > showing how much bigger the flame became !! Of course you know why....?? > > Out American friends call it "snake oil"........ > > Cheers de Alan G3NYK > > > > >