Return-Path: Received: (qmail 23969 invoked from network); 27 Aug 2004 11:52:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 27 Aug 2004 11:52:53 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1C0fNN-00057k-Pm for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 27 Aug 2004 12:58:38 +0100 Received: from [192.168.67.3] (helo=ptb-mxcore03.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1C0fNN-00057h-NM for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 27 Aug 2004 12:58:37 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore03.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1C0fHo-000JIW-37 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 27 Aug 2004 12:52:52 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1C0fHL-0001MC-GM for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 27 Aug 2004 12:52:23 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1C0fHL-0001M3-45 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 27 Aug 2004 12:52:23 +0100 Received: from mxsf07.cluster1.charter.net ([209.225.28.207]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1C0fHI-0008RF-03 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 27 Aug 2004 12:52:23 +0100 Received: from mxip11.cluster1.charter.net (mxip11a.cluster1.charter.net [209.225.28.141]) by mxsf07.cluster1.charter.net (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i7RBqCqk011552 for ; Fri, 27 Aug 2004 07:52:13 -0400 Received: from cpe-66-189-53-169.ma.charter.com (HELO johncellarnew) (66.189.53.169) by mxip11.cluster1.charter.net with SMTP; 27 Aug 2004 07:52:13 -0400 X-Ironport-AV: i="3.84,116,1091419200"; d="scan'208"; a="254232209:sNHT12885224" Message-ID: <000f01c48c24$16708280$0500a8c0@charter.net> From: "John Andrews" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <36.60dff716.2e60536c@aol.com> <008601c48c26$ef59c460$01540150@captbrian> Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 11:53:29 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 209.225.28.207 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of charter.net X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,RCVD_IN_SORBS=0.1 Subject: LF: Re: Re: Re: Gas for balloons Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) I am reminded of something that happened to a local AM radio station about 30 years ago. Their transmitter site was unattended and prone to vandalism. Somebody managed to cut the guy wires on their 125 meter tower, and it came down during the night. They had a part-time engineer who was a radio tech at the local airport. In the wee hours of the morning, he managed to con a weather balloon ("Gee, I thought they were bigger!) from the weather service office at the airport. I'm not sure what gas was used for inflation, but I believe it was helium. His problem then was that he didn't have enough wire. So he woke up the owner of a local electronic parts shop, met him there, and purchased a reel of 12 gauge enamelled wire. Back at the transmitter site, he quickly found out that a small weather balloon will not lift 125 meters of 12 ga wire! So he scrounged around and found some 4-conductor telephone cable, and got the antenna up in the air. Sort of. Let's just say that there was a strong horizontal component to the field. I stopped by in the early afternoon to see if I could offer any help. The wind had picked up, and the balloon kept hitting the tops of the trees at the edge of the field. I went inside the transmitter shack, and almost got seasick watching the plate current on the 1 kw AM rig. The engineer had been quite busy resetting the overload circuit all day long. As I recall, the balloon lost all lift by late afternoon, and he gave up. As the tower was easily available unpainted Rohn 45, they had something up in the air within a couple of days. So the suggestion of using #22 wire may be right on target. John Andrews, W1TAG