Return-Path: Received: (qmail 48193 invoked from network); 16 Jul 2004 17:10:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 16 Jul 2004 17:10:50 -0000 Received: from [192.168.67.2] (helo=ptb-mxcore02.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1BlWFv-000F2I-MD for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 16 Jul 2004 18:12:19 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1BlWER-0005JV-UF for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 16 Jul 2004 17:10:48 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1BlWDl-0004VB-7q for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 16 Jul 2004 18:10:05 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1BlWDk-0004V2-Rl for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 16 Jul 2004 18:10:04 +0100 Received: from hestia.herts.ac.uk ([147.197.200.9]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1BlWDh-00033Y-BW for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 16 Jul 2004 18:10:04 +0100 Received: from altair ([147.197.200.45] helo=altair.herts.ac.uk) by hestia.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 1BlVoP-0001sB-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 16 Jul 2004 17:43:53 +0100 Received: from [147.197.164.230] (helo=JamesMorrits) by altair.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1BlVoO-0003ec-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 16 Jul 2004 17:43:52 +0100 From: "James Moritz" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 17:43:52 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-UH-MailScanner: No Virus detected X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no, Subject: LF: RE: Feeding grounded tower on 136KHz Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Dear Geoff, I think Rik is right about shunt-feeding the tower being extremely inefficient. The further up the tower the shunt feed is connected, the better it will be, but even if the connection is right at the top (i.e. a folded monopole configuration), it will still be very inefficient. At 136k, the shunt feed would nearly behave as a short circuit - a folded monopole 60m high could be modeled as a vertical monopole with perhaps of the order of 1 kohm capacitive reactance, shunted by an inductive reactance of some 10s of ohms, due to the shorted stub formed by the shunt feed. This would make the circulating current in the matching network of the order of several tens of times larger than the "useful" antenna current, increasing the losses in the matching network by something of the order of 1000 compared to an insulated mast with matching components of the same Q. In your case, with the feed point far below the top, things will be even worse. I suspect that a wire insulated from the mast would be a better bet, even if it can only be attached part of the way up - many people are getting reasonable results with wire antennas 10 - 20m high, although 60m would be nicer, of course! If the problem is simply one of accessibility, one idea might be to treat the mast as a big tree, and get a line over or through it using bow and arrows, catapults etc ... then again, if it is someone's telecoms mast covered in microwave antennas, this might not go down too well! Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Geoff Sent: 16 July 2004 13:02 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: Feeding grounded tower on 136KHz Hello, New to 136KHz. Callsigns: ZC4CW or ZC4LOW (for experiments). I need advice on using a grounded tower as a vertical radiator on 136KHz.